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Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by NickaliskTrent, May 29, 2008.

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  1. NickaliskTrent

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    permed wraith brands...

    I'm in the process of acquiring a pair of "perm" wraith brand boots.

    I was wondering what steps I could go to the 'verify' that the boots where perm. I heard about the 'clash' test. What is this?
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    No I agree, they are (were?) duped at some point, but the rules refer to never asking about TRADE or MAKING such items. I am asking about how to verify if the item is "perm."

    I am acquiring them elsewhere.

    But I wanted to know how to "clash" test them or to find out IF they where unperm.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    None. perming is not proven and many say it is a myth. please review the stickies in newcomer and west trade. we do not support perming or dupes. if you knowingly trade for a dupe i.e. permed item you are on your own.



     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    I luv the avatar btw, and thanks for the swift reply :smiley:

    I don't mean if they have been "permed" by a player, but aren't there "permed" items from before .09 that the scanner no longer picks up? items that survived the rust storm, or pre 09 items that don't have an ID tag?
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    The dupe detecter is pretty harsh, and as soon as it catches two items with the same id, it will delete both of them, dupe or not. Older items might seem safer just because most of the dupes have already been deleted, so you are less likely to be cought. But it will happen eventually.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    i was under the impression pre .09 items had no id.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    An item that does not have an id does not exist. In short, all items have an id, that's what makes them items.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    pre .09 though, items were not "IDed" though I thought, did they just assign an arbitrary one after with the enforcement of the dupescan?
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Why would you think they did not have an ID?
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Why would you think that they do? Just because they currently have an ID?

    I am not an authority on the antiquities of D2 by any means but I suspect that before the mass duping of 1.08 items, there was no reason for two identical items to have different ID codes.

    Normal items even now do not have "ID" codes. Probably because they are rather common and no one would try to dupe them.

    I speculate that the Pre 1.09 items that did not get wiped out are more or less here to stay, despite there post 1.09 counterparts.

    What i wanted to know was, what is 'clashing'?


     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Every item since 1.0 has had a fingerprint, until 1.05 or 1.06 it was even used to recreate the item every time you joined a game. It wasn't meant to find dupes.
    Since 1.07 every non-simple item has an 'ID' or 'fingerprint', simple items being potions, keys, scrolls, books and such. Even normal (white) items have it.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Im interested in where you got that information. I understand about the "finger print" part but I am under the impression that identical items had the same item number until 1.08+
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Having played both 1.07 and 1.09 recently, i can vouch for RTB. If you look the items up in ATMA, you can see they all have a fingerprint, except the potions, scroll etc.

    Just don't question RTB on this. He's a living encyclopaedia of D2 knowledge.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    So how do these "dupes" persist? Is it because their copies have been purged?
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    Simply because there are so few of them left that it's hard to meet two in the same game (only passive ruststorms in NL). They still poof though.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    RTB is a legend just as Alainpp66, Shade, Nightfish and Dark Knight are.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    what I'm wondering, if they are that good, why don't they start duping them now again. If I understand anything about duping, it should work as good as duping runes.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    If one were to speculate given the current information, then one could surmise that the actual methods used by certain undesireable elements created unique fingerprints for each copy of the item, and since Blizzard uses the unique "fingerprints" to differentiate between legitimate and duplicate, a rust storm would be inneffective on pre-1.09 items duplicates, as there is no way to tell them apart from the original item. Rares would also present a problem, because there is no reason why two rare items cannot drop with the same random name and stats, though the chances are astronimical against it.

    I have no idea what clashing is.
     
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    Re: permed wraith brands...

    They were assigned unique numbers since the beginning of D2, like RTB said, and as far as I'm concerned there isn't/never was a method of duping in such a way that unique fingerprints are created.

    A rare's fingerprint does not depend on it's stats. If two rares with EXACTLY same stats, ilvl, name and graphics (for rings/ammies) drop, they still have completely different fingerprints.



     
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