Pedophilia POLL!

What line applies to you?

  • I feel like I have to vomit if i think about chidlren+sex.

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • I feel towards sex with children like towards sex with apples. Totally not feeling the idea.

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • I get sexually aroused by thoughts(view?) of naked children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I did masturbate to child sex fantasies.

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • I would immidatly have sex with children.

    Votes: 3 21.4%

  • Total voters
    14

Scudstorm

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

I think there is a big difference between people who occasionally have child fantasies and people who will outright do it, be it on a willing subject or not. The taboo on the subject is making people way too sensitive and self-righteous. Stating what is socially correct doesn't grant you the right to call other people names.

Is there a difference between CS/CoD players and murderers? I think the answer is yes, or our prisons would be way overloaded.

Now, think about this: would CS/CoD be so popular if the stuff the player shoots at are not living things? Why are they so graphic about blood? Why is D2 so graphic about blood?

Are we all bloodthirsty monsters? Should we all be caged?

Btw, Sigmund Freud thinks children have sexuality. That particular course was disturbing, yet makes people think of children in a much more sexual way.
 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

the purpose of fantasy is to be able to do what u can't do in real life.

for example with the "war" video/computer games: it allows u to experience being a soldier without the danger and threat of real death or the nightmarish/mental damage=PTSD of the horrors that define the ugliness of war that u would experience if u were an actual soldier in the military and on a real theatre/battlefield of war.

star trek for example. we don't yet have the ability or the world that exists in star trek. but we created the star trek fantasy so that we could "live out" or "experience" this fantasy, that doesn't currently exist in the real world. we watch star trek tv shows, movies, games and experience this fantasy that as of yet can never be experienced in real life. there's no federation, no multiple inhabited planets by humans, no alien/non-human-earth life like klingons and romoulans, etc... no star ships with weapons and fighter jet capabilities. no warp drives or cloaking. no plasma torpedoes.

the same can be said for any fantasy. lord of the rings or diablo 2. we can't go around carrying a sword or axe in today's times and chop off human or monster/demon (which don't exist in the real world) heads. (with the exception of in the middle east where it's socially alright to kidnap and be-head "westerners", even journalists...daniel pearl... or the mexican drug cartels on the mexico-U.S. border)

this is the miracle of fantasy, it allows for stuff that reality doesn't allow or that is not possible or does not exist in reality.
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i have the same problem with many people not reading my posts, or jsut skimming them, or mis-reading or not understanding them correctly, as well. also, the said person who made this comment is a bit of a hypocrite, because his responses to my posts seem to suggest he is guilty of "skimming my posts" or not understanding them correctly if he had actually read them fully, from beginning to end, himself.
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For the Record:

i love to read and because of this.....

when i read some one's post, i fully read it from begining to end and word for word, and than do so again and again.

every response to some one's post i make, is fully informed and researched, that however does not mean that i have correctly understood it, and if i do mis-read or mis-understand your post, please let me know and i'll immediately apologize and correct myself/my response post.
 
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Garbad_the_Weak

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Re: Pedophilia POLL!

The difference is no one has shown that a substantial portion of people who play counterstrike kill people, unlike quasichildporn. Believe me, if someone ever proves that a high percent of teens who play counterstrike will go on a shooting spree, the FPS industry will be banned overnight.
 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

this is my understanding of crime, the criminal, and criminal behavior:

if a person commits a crime it is because they ARE a criminal, not because of some show they watched or video game they played. even if they never watch the show or played a video game, such a person would commit the crime anyways. the PERSON commits the crime and they do so for much more meaningful and purposeful reasons than some "damnnned" TRIVIAL video game or show. deciding to commit a crime is a serious/heavy/weighty decision, not one to be made or EVER made by some "dammmnneed" TRIVIAL violent or sexual video game or show.

also, crimes are commited because of nesecessity (life and death, survival) (for example, a starving person will steal food, and even a mother, father, adult, or guardian will steal food not for themselves, but for another person as well like a starving child) OR for personal justice (for example: some one killed or raped or both, your daughter and u kill him, instead of waiting for the police/court to do so or even not do so)

this is my understanding of crime, criminals, and criminal behavior.
 

tarnok

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

The difference is no one has shown that a substantial portion of people who play counterstrike kill people, unlike quasichildporn. Believe me, if someone ever proves that a high percent of teens who play counterstrike will go on a shooting spree, the FPS industry will be banned overnight.
Has someone shown that a high percentage of people who look at "quasichildporn" also abuse children?



 

Scudstorm

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

also, crimes are commited because of nesecessity (life and death, survival) (for example, a starving person will steal food, even a mother, father, or adult or guardian will steal food not for themselves, but a starving child) OR for personal justice (for example: some one killed or raped or both, your daughter and u kill him, instead of waiting for the police/court to do so or even not do so)

this is my understanding of crime, criminals, and criminal behavior.
Not to bash, but I think you've read too many classic French novels :)

These kinds of crime do exist on a large scale, but humanity is darker than you think.

It's just like this time when I was chatting with the girl I like, and she seemed to think all prostitutes deserve agonizing death or w/e. So I started defending them and saying, hey, have you ever read stuff like Boule de Suif or Les Misérables? And she was like, you're not into whores are you? >.<


 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

none taken. this is MY understanding of crime, criminals, and criminal behavior, and obviously your understanding of crime, criminals, and criminal behavior is completely different than mine. of course i think-feel that my understanding is right and correct and yours is wrong, just as i'm sure u think-feel your understanding is right and correct and mine is wrong.

unfortunately, this humanity, veils us from what the actual truth is. is my understanding right or is yours. what's the truth? as it stands both of our understandings are jsut our views and opinions. obviously 1 of us could be right, but that truth is impossible for humans or us to determine.

never read a french novel...at least none in french.....

i am an american and fully fit this steroeotype of americans:

"if u can speak three languages you're tri-lingual. if u can speak two languages you're bi-lingual. if u can only speak one language you're.....AN AMERICAN!!!"

i failed to learn spanish as/for a 2nd language, and so i can only speak 1 language, american english.

i'm not a linguist. more of a science and math person. i'll never stop being of awe of many europeans who can speak like 4-5 or more languages...

i'm glad i'm american....at most...we only need to know spanish and french as those are the only two countries (mexico and canada) next to the U.S., whereas in europen u got some many countries next to each other, each with their own language....really glad i'm american...in terms of how many languages needed to be known or not known.
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your gf seems to think like i do, lol

though i'm not for prostitutes being "agonizedly killed", i do NOT think very highly of them. to me, they choose to sell their body. they choose to make their being purely for the sick pleasure of males. they choose to be a "boy's toy". they choose to be prostitutes.
i'm sorry but there's thousands and thousands of other choices for jobs than prostitution, so i don't buy this.."i didn't have a choice, i had to become a prostitute. i had to sell my body for the sick pleasure of males"....pfft. BS. go work at mcdonalds or whatever. no one EVER "has to be" a prostitute.
 
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Galabab

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

The difference is no one has shown that a substantial portion of people who play counterstrike kill people, unlike quasichildporn.
Im not sure if understand you correctly. You believe its proven that a large portion of child porn watchers rape a child at some point?
I think you'r wrong.
Im not sure bout child porn but i know for a fact in japan there is that child hentai allowed. So they have a rather big amount of child pornography (painted, but still people there masturbate to naked children you know what i mean). SO one would think those japanese rape children all day but in reality japan has one of the lowest child abuse rates.
It is explained as the pedophiles masturbate to that stuff instead of being driven crazy by mere fantasies and someday rape somebody.

And Garbad, i thought you were banned, cuz there is banned at the lft where your name is...

@Hegemon:
I think your posts are kinda hard to read. Maybe you should switch to a more orthodox way of putting them together. Like, less --------- and more real quotes :)


 

Garbad_the_Weak

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

Has someone shown that a high percentage of people who look at "quasichildporn" also abuse children?
Yes.

Source: APA Diagnostic Criteria for Pedophilia, 2003 Edition
http://web.archive.org/web/20070629090023/http://www.psych.org/news_room/press_releases/diagnosticcriteriapedophilia.pdf

Not only that, there have been studies that show the same link that exists between real-child pornography and abuse exists in artificial/fake child pornography. In other words, the arguments we are reading in this thread about how it doesn't hurt anyone are simply bunk. It has the same escalating effect as actual child porn, which is why it should be treated the same legally.

Source: Government of Canada (1984). Report of the Committee on Sexual Offenses against Children and Youth, Vols. 1-11, and summary. Government of Canada, Department of Supply and Service as "Badgely Report; Cat. No. J2-50/1984/E, Vols. 1-11, H74-13/1984-1E, Summary".

Incidentally, another strong trend in pedophiles is self-rationalization, including propagating and defending pedophile friendly myths such as the idea that pedophilia is widespread, not harmful, that children actually are sexual, and several other things you can see written in this thread.

Think on that for a while.

if a person commits a crime it is because they ARE a criminal ... deciding to commit a crime is a serious/heavy/weighty decision....also, crimes are commited because of nesecessity
This is utterly and completely incorrect.

First off, a person isn't a born a criminal -- a person becomes a criminal when they break the law. Instead, a person has the combination of personality, life circumstances, examples, coaching, and so on that comprise every unique human. But even if you have a disposition towards something that is a crime, you are not a criminal until you commit an act, just as having a predispositional weakness towards alcohol addiction doesn't make you an alcoholic until you take that first drink.

Second, rarely do people decide to commit crimes. People don't sit down and reason out the pros/cons, they react. And let's not ignore the fact that people who break the law are generally much less intelligent than average -- for some, causality itself doesn't really sink in. For others, impulse control is limited. For others, they may know they will be punished (if caught) but irrationally overestimate their chances (as young men do), For others, they may expect to be caught but don't care -- the time on top is worth it. For others, they may expect to be caught but can't control it anyhow. And a million other reasons, which are all related to the mix of genes, training, and personality that makes a person tick. But rarely, if ever, will a criminal sit down and weigh the costs/benefit. I bet at least 10x as many murders are a spur of the moment reaction as planned out, for example.

Finally, crimes are almost never committed because of necessity. Crime is rarely necessary in the literal sense. In fact, its a defense to almost all crimes to say you had to do it (necessity). The only crimes I can think of that people commit "out of necessity" are when poor kids sell drugs to feed their family, young runaways go into prostitution, people embezzle, etc. But that isn't necessity in a legal sense, as they still had options they just chose not to take it. Instead, most major violent crimes are committed out of simple passion. Your GF sleeps with another man and so you stab her in a blind rage. You and your boys get drunk and pissed at how much life sucks and decide to get a gun and rob a store. You know its wrong, but you decide to take a chance because sexing a child would feel so good you just have to try it, and you have been pumping yourself full of porn and rationalizations for months to boot. Its a reaction, not necessity.



 

Galabab

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

lol Garbad thats only creteria for being a pedophile not for abusing children.
 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

i never said people are "born" criminals. i don't know how u you came to this, though obviously u did....

it IS MY FAULT for not expounding on "people commit crimes because they ARE criminals". i didn't because that would make my post even longer. this statement i made did not intend to mean people are "born" criminal as u interpreted it to mean, but rather that a criminal is going to commit a crime because they are going to that is what makes them a criminal in the first place, and they are going to for much more significant and real reasons than some "dammmn" TRIVIAL violent or sexual show they watched or video game they played.

i completely agree with u on some of your points and disgree on some others.
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when i watch a violent american football game, or a violent fake-entertainment wrestling, or violent boxing, or violent cops, i don't than go out and actually start commiting assualt and batery and beating people up violently.

people who watch porn or take sexaulity classes in college, or study human sex biology/anatomy for medcine or to becoming doctors, don't go out and have wild-uncontroled sex or rape with other people as well.

this is true for everone. the same is true with sexual shows or video games as well.

so any thing that says there's any relationship between violent/sexual shows/games and real life acts of crime....

IS FLAT-OUT ERRONEOUS.
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every human being has a brain. every action (especially including "emotional out-bursts of action") a human takes is thought out to such detail that it would make an intelligence officer at the pentagon or CIA or FBI gape in awe. and that's not even including that the brain does it in less than a nano-second (1/1,000,000,000 of a second). the brain is truly amazing.
 
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HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

"professional" is quite different from perfect. "professionals" were running our (the U.S.) economy and businesses too....look how perfect these economic and ceo "professionals" are.

"professional" is merely a completely fake-hollow term that is given socially as "status".

a teacher is no more knowledgible than anyone else. yet because of socialogy we brainwash ourselves into thinking teachers know more than others.

sociology 101.
 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

meh, who cares. despite the incorrect spelling, everyone is fully aware of what the word is.

for professional or scholarly works, obviously i'd take more care with spelling and grammer, but these postings on an internet site are actually more verbal discussion/dialect/speech than written works, despite the fact that it is written (posted).

these posts are our thoughts and opinions and discussions. its more verbal communication, speech, and dialect than written essays, despite having to write it out.

when some one speaks with a different dialect or they use slang u don't admonish them for not using "proper" english. the same is true for posting. posting is more similiar to this dialect or slang langauge example i gave than to being a professional or scholarly written essay/report which would require "proper" english (no slang, good grammer, acurate spelling, etc).
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surprisingly, when i do have to write professionally or scholarly, i do have good grammer and no mis-spelled words (and definately no internet slang or laziness. i capitolize the begining of sentences and i's. i don't use u for you. etc.), which would explain why/how i get/got A's in my english classes in school.
 

Scudstorm

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

Sounds like you better let the professionals know that they are wrong. Good luck with that.
Hmm... I have taken courses on how "studies" are made, and generally they are biased.

The well-know, "science-proven" study of "one glass of red wine a day is good for your heart", for example, was funded by alcohol companies. Later studies have demonstrated that no such correlation existed.

The studies you've quoted are funded by governments and psychiatric institutions, which are responsible for a good social order. There is nothing guaranteeing their impartiality. They cannot go out and say: "Hey peoples, go watch child porn! It's harmless to your mental health and you won't have raping urges!"

But all this are moot points, since the point you were trying to prove is:

Has someone shown that a high percentage of people who look at "quasichildporn" also abuse children?
And what the study you linked said:

The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
I don't really see how this could answer that question in any way...


 

HegemonKhan

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Re: Pedophilia POLL!

"The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A."

-garbad? or whoever referenced this
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this merely says that a child rapist has been found to be... a child rapist.....(no...#$%@, u don't say, i would never have came to that conclusion...*SARCASM*)

what kind of "professionals" do they have working there.....

this is the most amusing "scientific study" i have ever seen... dies of laughter. what a JOKE. LOL

a child rapist is a child rapist....what a sophistcated "scientific study", it's findings has revolutionized the world....

we now know that child rapists are child rapists.... ROFL !!!!!

how much are these "professionals" getting paid ???

i wanna be a psychologist/psychiastrist....what an easy job !!!!

i don't know what's more amusing:

this being a "scientific study"

or

the said person(s) who referenced this as a "Scientific study" as support for their argument

LOL, ROFL, dies of laughter !

good show, good show, chap ! bravo !
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a child rapist has been found to have sexual desires toward children and unlike law abiding citisens, he has acted on them and commited the crime of child rape or child sexual harrasment and that is why he is here being "researched" by us in this jail...i mean mental hospital....as well as life imprisonment in the "normal" jail too, which is what our "research" has shown...

um...how much money did this "research" take ?
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jon stewart would LOVE this. it be the best thing he ever aired on tv, hands down.
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i have to save this. it's awesomely ridiculous !!! what a classic....timeless even!!
 
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Garbad_the_Weak

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

"The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A."

-garbad? or whoever referenced this
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this merely says that a child rapist has been found to be... a child rapist.....(no...#$%@, u don't say, i would never have came to that conclusion...*SARCASM*)

what kind of "professionals" do they have working there.....

this is the most amusing "scientific study" i have ever seen... dies of laughter. what a JOKE. LOL

a child rapist is a child rapist....what a sophistcated "scientific study", it's findings has revolutionized the world....

we now know that child rapists are child rapists.... ROFL !!!!!

how much are these "professionals" getting paid ???

i wanna be a psychologist/psychiastrist....what an easy job !!!!

i don't know what's more amusing:

this being a "scientific study"

or

the said person(s) who referenced this as a "Scientific study" as support for their argument

LOL, ROFL, dies of laughter !

good show, good show, chap ! bravo !
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a child rapist has been found to have sexual desires toward children and unlike law abiding citisens, he has acted on them and commited the crime of child rape or child sexual harrasment and that is why he is here being "researched" by us in this jail...i mean mental hospital....as well as life imprisonment in the "normal" jail too, which is what our "research" has shown...

um...how much money did this "research" take ?
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i have to save this. it's awesomely ridiculous !!! what a classic....timeless even!!
No offense, but you shouldn't criticize anyone's education and writing.



 

HegemonKhan

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Pedophilia POLL!

i'm sorry, i'm just laughing my head off, i can't help it.

most of it is towards these idiot "mental health" workers and their "scientific study/research". though some is directed at u, and i'm sorry. it's just so ridiculous to me. though if i've been rude to you in any way. i'm sorry. my main intent was to make the obervation/comment at how absurdly idiotic this "study" is.

providing research and evidence to back up arguments is wonderful, just make sure the stuff u use is authentic and doesn't end up as an embarrasment...like this...

u have many times made very compelling arguements and points and i've even changed my oposition and agreed with it/u. this is not one of them. just a big mistake in the "supporting evidence" u referenced/used.
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if u meant apoliginzing to the idiotic "mental health" workers who did this "study" or to put it bluntly, lunacy, i will not as there's nothing to apologize to. if anyone needs apologizing, it's them.
 
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Garbad_the_Weak

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Re: Pedophilia POLL!

I'm glad you're amused, but you are missing the point. I suggest reading closely, and if English isn't your native language check some definitions. I am beginning to suspect there are some words you don't know the precise definition of.
 
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