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OT: Finding meaning

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  1. Thyiad

    Thyiad Moderator Single Player, D2 Assassin, Barbarian

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    OT: Finding meaning

    News article here about how people stay motivated in their work. In the artical someone doing totally disgusting job (sewerage unblocking and getting covered) stayed cheerful while the guys working in the clean offices lost the will to live.

    So it got me to thinking about what motivates you to do what you do. Is it "just the money" or do you enjoy what you do and why.

    This goes for work, school and D2 so ... pick one or three!

    Work:
    If I'm interested I'll put 110% into it and work 8am to 8pm or more. If I'm not, I just won't turn up. (I played hooky a lot at school; one teacher actually took me off the register. :laugh:)

    Sometimes I'll put the effort in, just to prove someone wrong. (That's how I got my degree.)

    D2:
    Bloodymindedness. I knew it was going to be tough getting my first sorc and my fishy to 93 but with the help of MP Baals, I got there with both. They have three sorc friends at/above that level now too.

    With the Pentathon, I said I'll do it so I will. (I have actually, just wondering if I want to use my 'wild hours'.) I have a terrible record with MFO's but I couldn't face dropping out of this one. I t's not as though I don't have the time and I would feel just awful dropping.

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    So what did you think of the article and/or what's your motivation?
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Interesting subject.

    At the end of the day, I have a wish of some day doing a difference for a lot of people. I go to school (engineering college) and will be done at christmas time. And I try to angle the things that interests me in such a way that I can use it, to try and "make the world a better place".
    At least, that's what I hope to be able to do.
    Making money will also be an issue of course, and also to broaden the horizon. I like to dig into a subject I find interesting and try to find new problems that haven't been researched yet.

    As for D2, I lost the interest a couple of years ago :smiley:
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    It gets more complicated every time I think about this, so I had better do this right now. :rolleyes:

    School: A mixture of ambition and sloppiness. I really want to succeed and to be the best at every subject. However, I know I am quite apt at being a good student, so often I don't even try to do my best at studying because I get close enough to what I want with much less work.

    As my only goal in school is to do well in everything (with as little work as possible), I have very little plans for my future. Having ended my secondary education just less than a week ago, I still don't have the foggiest idea of where I'll end up studying after my coming year of military service.

    D2: I strive for perfection. If something is not perfect and I have a decent shot at making it, I will try. It's a good thing I sometimes grow a little bored so I can actually play other games (or even socialize if I feel wild) in between.
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Nice thread Thyiad.

    Work
    Following my "burnout" with my previous line of work, I did a complete change with my line of work and my current job has an interesting variety of chores which is what keeps myself motorvated. It's varied enough to keep it interesting. From sitting on the computer doing the books to repairing machines in the workshop. From selling product on the show room floor to on the road doing delieveries/repairs. Then I get to meet a variety of people who come and go here. It's a pretty easy job that's stress free.

    D2
    Hmmm, tough for me because after all these years, old asmo has done just about everything there is to do with this game apart from serious PvP (which I can't do due to my lousy ping) and mods, like eastern sun and so forth. I guess variety again keeps me going. I'll play a bit of D2 here and there, sometimes putting it away for a month and play other games (like HGL atm). When I play D2 i'll mix it up a fair bit. One day doing MF runs with my cheezer to countess rune finding. Leveling/questing my new pally or just having fun with my IK barb, avenger or schaeferdin. Or I'll jump onlne and look for a multi player game.
    Quite often I'll have a mp3 playing in the back ground via media player. Bit of old school stuff like joy division and simple minds atm, or a bit of dance like VnV nation or cut copy atm.
    Even after all these years I still like a bit of D2 now and again.
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Work/School: Review writing and small scale moderating are hardly what I'd consider work, especially when it's voluntary. lol. Motivation comes from knowing that there are people out there depending on you to get the job done. Optimistic? HECK YEA. Anyway, anime/manga/light novels/games/etc. are usually so entertaining that issues with motivation don't ever truly surface. School is completely different though. Zero motivation. ZERO.

    Diablo II: It's tough sometimes. There isn't much left to try. Always looking out for new and/or strange builds to keep myself interested. When it comes to MFing, things like the MFP help a lot. The same goes for the SPTF. Even if you don't find something that you yourself might need, someone less fortunate will probably have use for it.
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Work:

    Time to put a downer on things. For me, there is no meaning to be found in work. I do what I have to do to survive, if I happen to enjoy it - hey that's a bonus. If you are looking for meaning in your work you've got too much time on hands. Far too many people work at a subsistence level, finding meaning is a luxury that they simple cannot afford.
     
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    At work, what keeps it up is first and foremost the students. High School students are, in a word, fun. Not fun as in laughing at the idiots, but fun as in the amount of energy they seem to put into what they are doing. I am not talking their school, as their efforts range from abysmal to mediocre on the most part, but get them talking about the things that fill their mind, whatever it is.

    Next, it is the collegues. The staff room has this kind of 'family' feeling about it. Some of them you just dont spend time with, but you can always find somebody to share a mug of coffee and talk about some extremely interesting subject. Everybody has a degree, so everybody has something they know and is interested in. It might not be their actual field, but there are no dullwits around. Also, whenever I get an idea, I have somebody on an even intellectual level to discuss it with.

    Thirdly, I love the lab. It is basically a couple of rooms filled with interesting toys to me, and I love to spend time figuring how to make new experiments for the students. The process of getting an idea, doing the experiment, and introducing students to the experiment and the hope that they actually will understand it.

    Fourthly: A pay that allows for a bit of luxury in life, and ~11 whole weeks of holiday each year, not counting single holidays. And I get to pick up the kids at 2-3 PM average after handing them in at 7:30 AM, if I put a bit of work in the evening.

    Summerary: I love my job. (Ignoring the everlasting stack of assignments to asses, the boring meetings, and a ministry of education that issues directives much like Meph drops green breastplates: To no use, and far to often.)

    D2: D2 SC is a game that allows you to stuff your brain, and let you think that you actually are in control of the situation. I play it to clear the mind, and it is less demanding and more fun than watching TV.
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Oi, half my post is missing, the squid's back.

    D2:

    I've still got so many builds on my list to do and I've still got a vague idea about doing the 21 single tree builds. Perhaps even completing the grail -1.


    I said to better last time. :sad2:
     
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    Work: I studied English Philology, with a postdegree in English Colonial Literature and another in American-English compared Literature, but I also have a fettish with bookshops. So, the very moment someone came by and offered me to run their bookshop and even have a share in the business I never doubted that was the way to go. It's been 7 years since I made the choice and I never regreted the step.

    Sure, the wage could be higher if I were elsewhere, but that's why I am also doing some Book Doctor stuff behind the scenes.

    I must confess I'm quite happy with my choices and I don't compare that bad to people around me when it comes to wages (except the top tier blokes who have an extremely well paid job, but their levels of stress and the job burnouts they go through is something I really don't want for me).

    PC Games: Either game I play must provide me with a feasible challenge. Be it get a Conference North/South team in Football Manager and develop a career, get an Emperor Civ4BTS game and win it or the sheer challenge of playing Diablo2 HC.
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    same thing for both. the challenge. as soon as the challenge goes away it stops being interesting
     
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    Re: OT: Finding meaning

    Without reading everyone else' reply. For me:

    Work: For most people, unless there is no other options, there has to have some kind of enjoyment in the job you do, if you continue do the same kind of job for long time. I deal with people at work, support them and deal with some you could call ID ten T. It does get me from time to time, I ask why are people so stupid? At the end of day, I can always find some enjoyment from dealing with those people. Many may see me as "not worthy" because I didn't do like many other in my position did - use this job as a step stone or simple for the money. Once there is position pays better, they move out. I could go for higher position and better pay, but I like my work environment, like the people around, even my boss is sort of decent.

    D2: Some call D2 a game of mindless "slash & hack", I enjoy it for either simple uber ownage (fishymance) or play underpowered for some difference.
     
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    RL: I work in an electrical distribution company. We make switchboards, circuit breakers, all that jazz. I find meaning in knowing that what I do helps to power all manner of devices around the world. The work itself though, is pretty shocking. My mp3 player is mandatory. I called in sick last week because I had forgotten to charge it the night before.

    D2: I like the unusual builds. I like to be able to say I patt'ed a BowBarb, at which point they have that "WTF?!" look on their faces as they try to comprehend how one make a Barb that doesn't use "real" weapons. Stuff like that.
     
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    RL: I like working with kids and I like to teach, so ... Im a teacher, and I love it. Sometimes ofcause I get tired or annoyed, but it never lasts very long, for there are always something to cheer u up. When you work with children (I usualy teach age 10 - 16 years) you never really know what will happen. Sometimes a lesson will take a completely different direction than what you anticipated, and sometimes when a lesson went really well I feel as close to flying as I can possibly do without actually beeing a bug. The colleagues are important as well, I like meeting lots of people, and on a large school I get to do that every day.

    The payment and pension doesent matter that much, although its not to bad. The holydays are ofcause a great plus as well, I get to have holyday when my kids have (I wonder if my kids will see that as a plus when they get older).

    D2: I tire of the game now and then, but I always return in a few months. I hunt for my grail, its still a long way to go (just passed 50%) but hey Im still young. Beeing in a tournament (my first) have also increased the interest lately. My newest idea devoloped while beeing almost bored to death lying ill in my bed. Ive decided to try a fichymancer, and writhe his cronicle as I go along, It takes a lot of time, but its also great fun.
     
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    Uni/work:
    I usually go for something I enjoy to do. Problem is, that after some time everything - no matter how I enjoyed it at first - gets boring to me, if not even entirely annoying. Take my medical studies for example: I really enjoyed the first 2 years, although they were the most exhausting of the 5 years I have by now. After that I got annoyed by the teaching (it's really bad) and also by the attitude of a lot of medical students and doctors. But since I still thought the work as a doctor later is worth studying for, I decided to go on, but I am not exactly hardworking anymore, since one can get through the studies quite well with minimal to mediocre effort.

    However, since I didn't enjoy my studies anymore the way I wanted to, I decided to start studying Czech, too, and it's just awesome - the prospect of being allowed to study it instead of having to study it is what brings out the best in me. I think if I dropped medicine and went along only with Czech, it might soon start to bore me like medicine did, so I think it's best to leave it like it is right now :) And it opens the perspective of doing something else besides medicine in the future if I ever get bored with it (which I probably will...)

    About meaning in general: it might sound somewhat weird, but I really think that communicating with others is one of the most important things in life to me. There's nothing I enjoy as much as a good chat with someone I like - maybe that's one of the reasons why I want to specialise in child psychiatry later. The other reason is, that with children I have the feeling of still being able to do something for their future life, to help them get along, whereas I don't find working with adult psychiatric patients as rewarding in that matter.

    D2:
    Similiar to RL, I'm rather a perfectionist in D2 since I enjoy it. Still, it's a game that I mostly play for diversion - if it didn't enjoy it anymore, I would stop playing (of course...). But I suppose one cannot do that as easily in RL (quitting job e.g. - one needs earn one's living), that's why I try to keep open as much possibilites for my future as possible (like having a few other good games besides D2 in store:wink3: ...which I unfortunately don't have :cry:).

    Concerning the article:
    I think striving for meaning (Frankl) and striving for lust (Freud...) needn't exclude each other in any case. For example, one's highest meaning of life could be to gain pleasure, thus fulfilling Frankl's and Freud's "definition" of "deepest hankerings" in a way. Anyhow, it's good to see people are still thinking about what makes life worth living :)
     
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    What motivates ME? That would have been a much tougher question a few years ago. When I was in college, I was awarded a full scholarship for my local state university. At first, my only motivation was to keep my scholarship by maintaining a certain GPA. After a couple years passed and my attention was derailed by women, booze, and extra curricular activities *wink*, things changed. Grisu hit the nail on the head: I lost my motivation to go to class and do the work because I was forced to go through the motions at a predetermined pace. If I could have taken a year off or an extra year or two to attain my degree, I would have finished. But as it stood, I hated my major (English Lit.) and felt I had no future with it. In the end, I dropped out and ended up not doing ANYTHING for a full year 'cause I was so depressed and upset with myself for failing.

    After working a couple mundane retail/food service jobs for a year, I landed a position with the United States Postal Service. Finally after years of [what felt like] wasting time, I had a job that I could support. Although my duties basically kept me doing data entry for hours on end, my employment for the USPS meant I was doing a service for the populace, and it felt good to go to work. It didn't hurt that I was really good at it, too. I had days where I really hated our old-school machines, and most of the staff was way older and we had little in common, but it was still a great position.

    My department was closed 'cause they made machines that could do our job 40 times faster, so I was forced out. Now jobless and living at home with my mother at age 25, I made a decision and a drastic change: I moved. Far, far away. I'm now living with two roommates in central Texas, and I've got a job working for a toll road company. Compared to my job with the USPS, it's basically the same kind of work. But because I work for a corporation and all we do is send bills to people, my overall attitude is rather lackidasical. Instead of helping people, I'm now charging them money.

    So what's my current motivation to stay at a job I don't particularly enjoy? Well, it's still data entry, and I'm still good at it. I still get to listen to my iPod the entire time and have an excuse to listen to electronic music allllll day. Plus, I got a raise recently, and I will have health benefits for the first time once I sign some paperwork. But that's not the motivator. What gets me out of bed to go in to work from 10pm to 6am is LIFE itself. Life isn't complicated by any means, but it's friggin' expensive! Rent, bills, college fees (they recinded my full scholarship when I bailed)... it adds up. PLUS, my old '87 Ford Escort just died like a month ago, so now I've got car payments for the first time. If I didn't go in to work, I'd basically have to either live on the street or snuff myself, and I don't like those options at the moment. In a six word summary, I work so I can survive.

    My D2 motivation is much simpler (thank goodness, right?). Before a month ago, it was all about discovery. Finding new items, trying new builds, making new RWs. I've remade some characters only because they were fun to play. I was maybe 100 items from a grail, had some decent runes, had some great gear, and some killer Mats/Pats. I'd sometimes leave the game for months at a time 'cause like some famous dude said, "You can't live on bread alone." But this is one of the few games I can go back to time and time again. But my motivation now? My computer is frizzle-fried. So when I get restarted, it's a full-on quest to begin anew! I'll hate that I can't twink as I always do, but since I go self-found it'll be exciting to see a green breastplate again! In the meantime, however, I'm slowly looking for a cheapo desktop to replace what has been lost. I'm not saying, "Gib leet itamz!" I'm saying, "Gib puter!" ...Seriously, anyone in the Austin area, I've got my hand out! :grin:


     
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    Motivation is tough. I don't particularly love my IT job but it pays extremely well and leaves me lots of free time. I work hours that suit me (6AM to 3PM) so I can avoid stuff like traffic etc. Most days are quiet with me doing the usual checks etc but every now and then I something will break and then we have to spark! I guess you could say I am a well paid fire extinguisher :D Having a cool boss makes all the difference. I get bored though. I much prefer working with people and getting projects done. I read a book ages ago (think it was David Eddings) who described one group of people as "doers of deeds" and others as "performers of tasks". I am by far a deeds kind of guy. Tasks and chores kill me. A big project that I can sink my teeth into, finish, and move on from suits me better. Anyways, I'll stick this job out for a year or two at least till I can get my masters and then I will look around for more project management/team jobs perhaps if nothing like that comes up in my company. I also would like to say that I am not doing my passion and deliberately chose not to. I'd like to explain why as there are guys here that might be at that crossroads now.

    A while ago I was speaking to a friend of mine who is 30 years senior to me. He has a passion for education and got a PHD in education. While he got to sort of enjoy his job he did not enjoy life as in this country education is not a well paying career. He told me he would have rather studied something he did not mind that was more financially rewarding and kept education as a hobby. That stuck. I love strategy and the military. I am constantly reading old military history books and reading articles and forums on the topic. Every strategy game I have played whether paintball or computer game I have excelled in when strategy was involved. My favored games are all RTS or games like D2 where careful planning of builds etc is necessary. I looked at military as a career and quickly realized that the life left much to be desired, especially when it came to finances. I did some aptitude tests eventually and after confusing the heck out of the people as I was a bit of an anomaly in that I had strengths on 3 opposite corners of their spectrum I got the final advice that I should be a priest, a soldier, or an engineer. Only the last one was a financially rewarding one from my investigations so that is what I am doing. And its a good life. Yes I prefer reading my books or playing my games but doing a job like this which is fine really enables me to do that and whatever else I feel like.

    I am happily married, get to go on a nice vacation every year (Going to France, England and the US in 3 weeks), and never really worry about money that much. That is really a good feeling! I get 25 days paid leave, probably another 12 or so days paid study leave, and the company is constant;y sending me on courses in addition to my masters studies. So when you guys do pick careers or decide to study all I can say is go for it and pick a skill set that is in demand! Also make sure to get the paper behind you. Do a degree if you feel so inclined, or study your trade, but learn from the experts.

    Scott Adams the author of Dilbert said something like this once: There are two routes to serious wealth. You either have to be the best at something (top 0.0001%) like Tiger Woods, or, you have to be in the top 25% of two or three skills that are in demand and have some relation. For instance if you are good with computers and logic you would make a really good programmer. If you are good with people, a good leader, and have good business sense you will make a good business manager in any number of fields. The trick is to realize that you will never make it to be like Tiger Woods as the guys that are the best these days are genetic anomalies (Seriously, Lance Armstrong is a human freek!). The way to do it is to calmly pick some skills that you see other people banking it on that you feel strongly you can develop yourself and then put in the studies and the hours to get those skills. Its the only way to do it. My route was to study Elec. Eng with an IT focus followed by a Masters degree strongly focussed on Business. I currently out-earn many of the top achievers that I studied Elec Eng with as I have a clearer direction and am diversifying into my second skill rather than trying to be the best at one skill.

    Hope that advice was useful to someone. Work hard at school for those that are there now. Seriously a little effort at this time of your life will save you a lot of sweat for your entire 40+ year career!
     

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