one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

BobCox2

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

you, sir, base too much off of genes!

my semi-scientific take: we develop as we progress through life

while a lot of our basic structure will be determined by genes, this is just the basic structure of us which enable us to BECOME something with the potential to become even more,...

there's a proverb: "you are what you eat". take it and apply to every other physical influence on your body in life and you've got yourself the 90% that makes a person... the genes are just the 10% basic stuff that need to be built on to make us who we are
Your got the 90% to 10% reversed, any kind of non semi-scientific study of the facts would have shown you that, but then I bet you can't help it that your foolish, it's probably genetic.

Environment only does so much - I warned you how strong chimpanzees are...

Apparently when pissed they like to rip off your face. In the last two major attacks on humans that seems to have been the target area.


 
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lAmebAdger

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try to tell a war cripple that the personality he is today doesn't have anything to do with experience and then tell me why it depended to 90% on his genes, sir!
 

BobCox2

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I have known incredibly upbeat people that are disabled, more that I know that are stuck in depression, I also have noticed that trend gets bigger the longer they have been disabled.
I would bet the ones with a genetic tend toward depression don't last as long in the face of the true adversary that the experience of a crippling injury caused to their life.

and don't call me sir I work for a living
 

lAmebAdger

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

that doesn't disprove me though, does it? they have just learned to overcome it through combining their pesonality with new experience (i don't think you can prove that upbeatness is purely genetic)
 

BobCox2

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OK if you want to see a example of a oppressed scientist pointing to the truth you might know of Galileo Galilei and the Church.
Well Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray wrote a book called The Bell Curve and the forces of the Politically Correct have been doing the same kind of hatchet job as the Church did ever since, and so I say to you and yet still, it is genetic.
The book focus is narrow and points only at intelligence and it got bogged down in racial PC matters but genetic factors are overwhelming as twin studies and other such scientific measurements have shown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture
People love to argue both sides, lets split the difference - I favor genetics over environmental factors (can't make a silk purse from a sows ear) but a 90% to 10% split is probably wrong on it's face and so I called you on it.
 
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lAmebAdger

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fair enough.

alright, while i didn't run to the next store and bought myself The Bell Curve, i did read the whole wiki article (without checking the sources for loopholes, so I'm gonna have to trust you and that site...)

it seems to be based on many "probably"s, and "highly likely"s and i'm sure that studies can only suggest and not beat down the opposition with a scratchless wall of facts and steeled conclusions
so from a scientific point of view i rather have to admit that i wasn't being accurate with my percentages. i should've done it like you and used words not numbers, since numbers aren't exactly foolproof but have the expectation of being foolproof...


since you seem to be capable of voicing an opinion on the determinism debate, I'd like you to look through this theory i posted a while ago (note: i don't like it, it assumes the metaphysical aspect of us to be non-existant, which pretty much sux (uhuh)):

free will is an illusion. "souls" do not exist. the instant an influence is registered by your senses/nerve system and thus translated into electric signals and transmitted to your brain, they are processed there, meaning whatever characteristics those translated signals have will decide which path they take through your brain and how they are reformed during that process(the brain signal transfer/transform structure has been made sophisticated and "perfected" to fit this by evolution/survival of what works). then they will likely go to other parts of the body, all determined by the characteristics (quantity, quality and generally how they are made up) of the initial signals and what path they took through the brain...
also, feelings are an illusion. they are merely the effects of hormones and again electric signals created by your senses through outside(/or even inside) influences. why does each human have different feelings in the same situation? these factors:
-they absorb slightly different amounts/magnitudes of influences in the same situation (sitting in the lobby room of some hotel, for example)
-they're DNA is unique (see standard genetics) and thus they're body, including brain structure (electric signal paths, yada yada) and hormone system has been developed a bit differently than that of others
-they're path through life since birth is unique. they haven't been eating the same, the pressure that has been applied to different parts of their body in every situation isn't the same... etc., so the electric signal history they have been generating through influences hasn't been the same (visual sense, acoustic sense, bla bla...) and the purely physical/biological way those signals have affected body development (brain structure, bla bla...) hasn't been the same...
 

lAmebAdger

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

EDIT: stupid lag... made me double post again

EDIT2: why isn't there a "delete last post" option or something?
 

Tanooki

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You have to pay money for that option.
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

about the recent news flash of the chimpanzee pet who got into a conflict with the woman:

a word of wisdom from me:

what is a pet or what should and shouldn't be a pet ?

my philosophy:

any animal that i can win in a fight, is able (or can) to be a pet of mine.

any animal that i can NOT win in a fight, is NOT to be a pet of mine.
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dog, i can win in a fight. but i never would (dog lover).

cat, i could win....but it'd do some damage... (i'm NOT a cat person)

"60 foot" (so far not discovered, but the extremism makes my point) anaconda or python, i can NOT win in a fight.

lion or tiger, i can NOT win in a fight

monkey (gorilla, chimp, ape, etc..), i can NOT win in a fight.

etc...
 
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HegemonKhan

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

a dog is a member of a family, just as is a spouse and children. family member is a family member. family is family. pack is pack. family is pack. pack is family.

pack=canis lupus lupus (wolf) and canine lupus (dog) 's word for "family".
family=homosapien sapien (human) 's word for "family".
pride=lion "family"
pod=whale/orca "family"
colony=termite/bacteria "family"
leap=leopard "family"
army= ant "family"
can't think of the few others i know
 
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lAmebAdger

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

pack is not family, but family can be pack

pack consists of rather different bonds than traditional family ones, i'd say, like cameradery, friendship, leadership, mutuality...

like i said, family can be pack, but pack is not family
 

nicro tower

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

A pack should be all related to each other. I'm pretty sure a pack is also of only one lineage (excluding lone canines that join once in a while).

Also Hegemon, people may consider any pet they own a member of their family, even if it was a 50 foot deformed anaconda/horse/badger/fish hybrid if they loved/cared for it enough. On the other hand, people may consider animals beneath them in status and totally not care about said animal.
 

HegemonKhan

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dog/wolf/pack knowledge and understanding, i see is NOT understood by the public yet.

both posters above do NOT know about dogs/wolves/pack. their information on the matter is erroneous.

if anyone is interested, pm me (but be warned, i'll probably send u at least a 100 page briefing on the species known as canis lupus lupus).
 

BobCox2

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

I have had dog's that I would lose to in a fight but they are conditioned as a puppy to think of people as Gods so it's not a problem, as far as dangerous non-domesticated animals go you can keep them if you are careful but it's not a pet and you should have a means of controlling/killing it at all times, tazer/gun whatever.

P.S. I think I commented in your thread already IAmebAdger
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

anyone who hurts/murders a dog will also need a gun for killing me (a human), should we ever encounter each other.
 

lAmebAdger

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

so what would you do if the dog was killed in self-defense? (and not the malicious type either)

@bobcox: cool :)

another thing at Hege: i see what you mean now, the "pack" as in "dog pack" or "wolf pack", not as in "pack of rascals" or "pack of very much human friends/blood brothers" which was what i meant...
 

nicro tower

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

Meh guess I was wrong. Wolves form packs with 2 unrelated adults and their pups.

Btw, would you be so hostile to people that eat dogs as part of their culture? Just as we eat pigs and cows here.
 
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