one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

HegemonKhan

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one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

(this was taken from another thread i posted it in, where it certainly was off-subject and didn't belong)

this is off-subject, but for what it's worth, the world record bench press was not done in some gym at i don't know what it is ...maybe 500-700 lbs ?

the real world record was possibly this guy (this is a TRUE STORY. he had a friend with him and i think a camera or video camera or some device with such abilities. though i'm not certain of this. it's been awhile and my memory is bad) who was mountain climbing, and the chunk of cliff he was on gave away and he and that like over 1,400 lbs chunk of cliff rock fell to a downward sloped ledge below. fortunately-luckily, the 1,400 lbs chunk of cliff rock only fell on his legs, crushing them and pinning him to the ledge. unfortunately, he was still VERY high up, and being on the down sloping ledge....with him being trapped under the chunk of rock and sliding off the ledge to a fall of like who knows how high, though definately well high enough to kill him. amazingly, this skinny man (certainly not a weight lifter) literally was able to reverse-incline (the hardest type of bench press) bench the ~1,400 chunk of rock (which is well above the world record bench press in a gym by huge weight-lifters), up off his body, over his head, and push the rock out over the ledge-cliff in time before he slid off the ledge to his death as well !!!!

as to the science of how he just broke the world record for bench pressing:

being an emergency, his brain commanded every single muscle fiber in his entire arms to activate and fire, this caused the explosive force that was able to do the impossible and bench the 1,400 lbs chunk of rock. instead of dying, this emergency ability, merely torn his arms to shreds due to sheer the force that was generated from his brain activating his entire mucles fibers of his entire arms to fire, obviously this is a one time thing, that weight lifters can't use over and over again...it completely tears-destroys your arms, but that's a lot better than falling however far to a greusome and completely fatal "splat" below.
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most people (including many fraudulent "trainers", who actually only know nutrition and weight loss, but criminally lie saying they know how to lift weights) know NOTHING about the physics and biology of weight lifting.

it's NOT the size of your muscles, that gives u strength. see muscles are NOT actually huge chunks of "meat" as u might think. they are actually made up of many many fibers (hairs). think of like a steel cable (of how the steel cable is actually at least 3 smaller cables entwined around each other, instead of a single cable). that's kinda what your muscles are like. so the real strength and thus secret of weight lifting is not "size matters", but actually how many muscle fibers can you train/get your brain to activate/fire. this is done through repetition and desire-determination (mental-mind) using the PROPER technique, aka physics-science, yes muscles, bones, and human body also follows the laws of physics just as everything else in the universe (which also nearly everyone doesn't do or know how to).
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anyone and everyone can be a weight ("power") lifter.

this is because weight lifting, actually uses very little physical ability, contrary to foolish and erroneous mis-information/mis-understanding.

weight lifting is NOT for people with "brawns" (size-"strength")

weight lifting is FOR people with "brains" (science)

weight lifting is 99% science (physics). the 1% is the human doing the weight lifting. notice, i said, HUMAN. human means ANY human.

OF COURSE U HAVE TO KNOW WHAT U ARE DOING, or obviously weight lifting will be VERY dangerous. if u know what u are doing, weight ("power") lifting is 100% safe (excluding the law that things CAN always go wrong, no matter what, for anything and everything)
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additional comentary from the other thread posted/added here:

the rock climber, *LIVED*. he did NOT fall off the cliff (i'm pretty sure it was the rock's large mass-weight, gravity, and the downward slope that was the cause of his sliding. so once he got the massive rock off, he stopped sliding...or his friend was able to catch-grab-stop him from sliding. however take note...he was right AT the edge of the ledge...even with this "super human" ability it can only do so much. he could NOT "chuck" the 14,000 lbs rock over the ledge from 5 feet away from the edge....riiiight. he was RIGHT at the ledge and was amazingly just able to lift it, move it over his head, and "push" it jsut enough outward to clear his head and fall down the mountain cliff with OUT taking his head along with it or having it first fall on his head, crushing it-killing him *duh*, and than bounce and go over the ledge. THIS IS/WAS a ~14,000 lbs chunk of rock we are talking about!!! that's like... 7 small cars of weight!!! world record bench press by FAR!!! the force he/his brain/muscles generated jsut to lift, move, push that weight was easily enough force to tear and shred his arms apart every single muscle tendon cartilege completely TORE through his entire arms. possibly the best way to somewhat imagine this, is if u imagine his arms ripping off in half, "amputation/severing"). the friend (probably cell-phoned) a helicopter that got there in time before he bleed to death.

POOR GUY though!!!!! his legs CRUSHED to a powder of bone mixed with a mush/soup of flesh and blood by the rock falling on them, than his arms are OBLITERATED by the force he needed to generate to get the rock off him. no legs no arms... POOR GUY, yet he did still live/survive.....amazing!

TRUE STORY TOO, witnessed and even possibly recorded by his friend, witnesed and recorded-documented by the medical helicopter team rescuing him, and he lived himself, "to tell the story".
 
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s4nder

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Yeah, I saw a documentary about that on Discovery. We normally only use a third of our muscle fibers, in emergencies that can go up to 100%, destroying muscles and tendons but giving us inhumane strength for a moment.
 

lAmebAdger

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wow, i wonder if that can be triggered somehow through simulation or something..

imagine destroying your muscles while listening to the wrong music at the wrong time
 

HegemonKhan

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Yeah, I saw a documentary about that on Discovery. We normally only use a third of our muscle fibers, in emergencies that can go up to 100%, destroying muscles and tendons but giving us inhumane strength for a moment.
hey don't reveal my secret confidential source!!! :D j/k...i'm not exactly a journalist, hehe:D

but ya that or some like educational show is where/how i came across it (bad memory and it was a while ago..)
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wow, i wonder if that can be triggered somehow through simulation or something..

imagine destroying your muscles while listening to the wrong music at the wrong time

-iamebadger

HK (me):

fortunately you're brain/cells/dna knows what's an emergency and what is not..this can never/is impossible to happen. (at least, with our current scientific understanding)

we, have NO control over this emergency ability. it's our body's authority and command, not ours. it's "instinctual" and triggers differently for each person even if the situation is the same. one female it might trigger for and she can lift a car up if there's a crying baby underneath it. another female, it might not trigger, and she can't lift the car up despite the crying baby (obviously).


 

Johnny

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

That's why gazelles outrun the leopard nearly all of the time. The leopard is running for a dinner. The gazelle is running for its life. The leopards muscles shut down before the pace causes permanent damage but the gazelle keeps running.
 

lAmebAdger

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Re: one of many "super human" abilities of a human in emergencies

doesn't keep the cheetah from making it, though...

also, leopards will generally try to sneak attack first
 

Johnny

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I meant cheetah and the cheetah rarely makes it. It just happens to make it enough to survive.
 

MinusDII

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Was it 14,000 or 1,400 lbs of rock?

I think the world record bench press was over 1000 lbs

14K seems too much, that would mean the if you can usually use 30% someone would have benched 4,000 lbs by now.
 

stillman

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I'm not sure if this is a factor, but with less atmospheric pressure pressing down on the man and the rock, this may have given him a slight edge.

Hege, I don't think you should put down body builders. They really do have some knowlege about what they are doing, and you don't exactly sound like a doctor yourself. For instance, you did not mention the endogenous opioids (which are responsible for such responses as the 'runner's high') which would have played a huge role in enabling a crushed man to perform in those circumstances. Also, adrenal gland activity would have played a far more important role than the rather indirect role of 'dna' you mentioned.

People can actually elicit self control over the biological responses you claim we have 'NO' control over. It's called biofeedback. Subjects use machines to monitor their progress and give readings on their ability to change heart rate, stress response and so on. They are able to improve their ability to alter the readings just by sitting there thinking about it.

Edit: I'm sure a body builder, in the same situation, would be able to attempt the same thing, and maybe even get away with less injury.
 

Tanooki

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Wow...

So you saw a single documentary on TV and suddenly you're a weight lifting expert? With the balls to call trainers frauds? I actually scrolled back up to the top at one point to double check I wasn't reading a newly joined, 1 post under his belt, troll.
 

lAmebAdger

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hege, you ARE really confusing when you put long posts with block paragraphs AND add some more of them in per edit much later

for example: when stillman was claiming that you wrote something about "dna" taking a role and getting all upset about it, i was confused, because i didn't remember you posting that and then i went back up and -voila!- you added several new paragraphs! and then i searched those for any traces of "dna" and i STILL (-man) didn't find anything about it
i mean: WTH!!!

EDIT::crazyeyes:
 

HegemonKhan

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yes, i have magical powers, and all of my posts, adapt and evolve all on their own...they're AAAAAAALLLLLLLIIIIIIVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE (alive) !!!!!!

my name is frankenstein! laughs evilly like the MAD SCIENTIST he (HK) is

"mad scientist" now that's a good pun, if i may again say so/compliment myself!!

"mad scientist" describes me perfectly!!!
 
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Dondrei

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It's also because the cheetah has to be very careful getting close to the gazelle, because one good kick can cause injuries that permanently impair its ability to hunt.
 

lAmebAdger

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the cheetah runs pretty fast, not much time for care, there...

i think if he's close enough for a kick, it's over for the gazelle anyway
 

BobCox2

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How about comparing a Human's strength to that of a Chimp?
"Chimpanzees are 98.76% identical to us genetically. Chimpanzees are
actually closer to humans genetically than to gorillas.

Chimpanzee behavior is a lot like our own. But just as there are
differences between human cultures, there are physical, cultural, and
behavioral differences that exist between our two species as well.

Chimpanzees are much stronger than humans are; 5-7 times as strong in
overall strength. Their bones are denser, and their skin is tougher
than ours. The density of their bones is one reason why chimpanzees
stay away from water; they are not buoyant and they sink. Chimpanzees
are also more agile. They spend much of their day in trees and require
greater balance and agility than humans."
Source: http://www.neavs.org/esec/humanescience/chimps_and_humans.htm

"They may be a bit smaller than humans on average, but chimpanzees are
much stronger than us and, when they are feeling aggressive, they are
quite capable of harming people."
Source: http://www.gan.ca/animals/chimpanzees.en.html


"Muscles in chimpanzees and humans are similar, so we should be
capable of the same actions. Yet an average 1.5-meter, 45kg chimp is
much stronger than a typically larger human. While working in a lab,
Gonzales says, he saw chimps who could crush truck tires with their
hands."
Source: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Weekend/GH13Jp12.html

It's a lot easier to get a chimp in roller skates than it is to get him to pump iron — hence, most of the data on chimp strength is anecdotal and decidedly unscientific. In tests at the Bronx Zoo in 1924, a dynamometer — a scale that measures the mechanical force of a pull on a spring — was erected in the monkey house. A 165-pound male chimpanzee named "Boma" registered a pull of 847 pounds, using only his right hand (although he did have his feet braced against the wall, being somewhat hip, in his simian way, to the principles of leverage). A 165-pound man, by comparison, could manage a one-handed pull of about 210 pounds. Even more frightening, a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds. (She was in a fit of passion at the time; one shudders to think what her boyfriend must have looked like next morning.) In dead lifts, chimps have been known to manage weights of 600 pounds without even breaking into a sweat. A male gorilla could probably heft an 1,800-pound weight and not think twice about it.
 

DailySupernova

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Take some PCP and watch all of your boundaries go away...
NOTE: I do not do drugs, I do not endorse the use of drugs, I'm just stating a fact(err, maybe not a fact, but that is what Wikipedia tells me!).

How about comparing a Human's strength to that of a Chimp?
"Chimpanzees are 98.76% identical to us genetically. Chimpanzees are
actually closer to humans genetically than to gorillas.

Chimpanzee behavior is a lot like our own. But just as there are
differences between human cultures, there are physical, cultural, and
behavioral differences that exist between our two species as well.

Chimpanzees are much stronger than humans are; 5-7 times as strong in
overall strength. Their bones are denser, and their skin is tougher
than ours. The density of their bones is one reason why chimpanzees
stay away from water; they are not buoyant and they sink. Chimpanzees
are also more agile. They spend much of their day in trees and require
greater balance and agility than humans."
Source: http://www.neavs.org/esec/humanescience/chimps_and_humans.htm

"They may be a bit smaller than humans on average, but chimpanzees are
much stronger than us and, when they are feeling aggressive, they are
quite capable of harming people."
Source: http://www.gan.ca/animals/chimpanzees.en.html


"Muscles in chimpanzees and humans are similar, so we should be
capable of the same actions. Yet an average 1.5-meter, 45kg chimp is
much stronger than a typically larger human. While working in a lab,
Gonzales says, he saw chimps who could crush truck tires with their
hands."
Source: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Weekend/GH13Jp12.html

It's a lot easier to get a chimp in roller skates than it is to get him to pump iron — hence, most of the data on chimp strength is anecdotal and decidedly unscientific. In tests at the Bronx Zoo in 1924, a dynamometer — a scale that measures the mechanical force of a pull on a spring — was erected in the monkey house. A 165-pound male chimpanzee named "Boma" registered a pull of 847 pounds, using only his right hand (although he did have his feet braced against the wall, being somewhat hip, in his simian way, to the principles of leverage). A 165-pound man, by comparison, could manage a one-handed pull of about 210 pounds. Even more frightening, a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds. (She was in a fit of passion at the time; one shudders to think what her boyfriend must have looked like next morning.) In dead lifts, chimps have been known to manage weights of 600 pounds without even breaking into a sweat. A male gorilla could probably heft an 1,800-pound weight and not think twice about it.
That is very interesting, and very scary :(.


 

BobCox2

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Just a word to the wise about Apes, Don't confuse them with Monkeys.
Or the Librarian might feel it's necessary to correct you.
 

Ariadne

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Isn't the ability to survive just down to reflexes?
I once had a terrible accident, I got hit while driving 120 km/h, my front window was shattered and I couldn't see a bloody thing let alone where I was going but I instantly reacted the right way and landed safely on the spare lane on the right.
Braking like mad would have been a bad option, it would have caused a chain reaction crash from all the cars behind me.
 

lAmebAdger

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that depends on what you mean by ability to survive...
if you mean ability to not get screwed over in an extremely dangerous situation with limited time to make decisions, then yea...
 
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