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[jumbo_SHRIMP]

actually, my error was level 30 holy shock is double dream
level 28 holy fire is double dragon
dragon + hand of justice will not give you this special, they have to be the same level, if you use hand of justice and dragon, only hand of justice will work

phelix

 

[Pucho]

dragon + hand of justice will not give you this special, they have to be the same level, if you use hand of justice and dragon, only hand of justice will work

Actually, this is wrong. It doesn't matter the level of the aura, two (or three in the case of holy fire) auto-auras will stack.

 

[SinRomanDragon]

The damage in fully sinergised lvl 44 holy fire isn't really crazy... 3219 - 3288 to your attack with 536.5 - 548 in the radius (32.6 yards). While fully sinergised lvl 30 holy shock give 1 - 7005 to your attack and 4 - 1167 in the radius (23.3 yards). If I'm not wrong, off course.

And since only melee non-smite attacks recieve this damage, only zealots could use this "bug" effectivelly (well, melle sorcs would be really scary... :xeek: ^^).

 

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

3219 - 3288 = 3253 avg
1 - 7005N = 3503 avg

so not too big a deal...and the hand of justice gives -20 res fire...so thats pretty sneaky

phelix

 

[SinRomanDragon]

Since the weapon slot is free, the paladin who use dual dream can always use a Crescent Moon, that's -35% to light resist...

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About the sorcy with dual dream:

A paladin fully sinergised would recieve +320% dam.

A lvl 20 light mastery gives +278% dam, with +12% each lvl... At lvl 24 light mastery the sorcy would have better light damage! It's nice specially because the sorcy could use a orb with +skills... With would make the damage goes up slightly.

 

[Pougee_au]

Just reading about the possbilitys with a grief rw. Just a couple suggestions that may seem stupid. But i will point them out.
Would these combo's be any good
Greif/Fury - LL, IAS, AR%, 33%ds
Or theres a resonable cheap alternative that could be ok:
Greif/Passion - 1 Zeal (Not sure if the dmg would be any good), Good AR Bonus and a few other bonus's.

Also what about a Greif Scourage, Range 3 and low strenght required 125, and Higher base dmg than a ba. But i notice the based min dmg is abit low. But just a suggestion.

Just your thoughts on a complete decent build:
Arreats
Enigma/Foritiude
Steel Irends
Gores
Anglics
Verdungo's
Greif/SS (I like my sheilds) or weapon combo?

 

[Zangeif]

I am 100% right, and you don't understand what I'm saying.

The ED% on Fortitude will apply to the 24-71 damage that a Grief berserker axe does. If you use 2 jewels with 80% ED that is another 80% ED. NEVER DID I MENTION THE +400 DAMAGE FROM GRIEF IN MY POSTS. The 380% ED which is applied to the 24-71 damage that a berserker axe does is very relevant. That is my point.

If you use a 380% BotD zerker (non eth) instead of a 380% BotD Flamberge (non eth) the difference between damage is applied to the BASE stats of the weapon 24-71 or 9-15. This difference in damage will be the same as the difference of 380% ED from fortitude + jewels which is applied to the BASE weapon damage on Grief.

BotD applies it's ED% to the base weapon damage. Fortitude ED% applies to base weapon damage. EVERYTHING APPLIES TO BASE WEAPON DAMAGE. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this. My point is that using a Grief Flamberge is stupid because the BASE WEAPON DAMAGE is low, and ED% that you get from OTHER SOURCES will be nearly irrelevant.

 

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

but thats where your wrong, the +damage from grief is actually applied before the ed from say fortitude is examined. So the base damage of the flamberge will actually be
409-415(412 avg) and NOT 9-15(12 avg) whether or not this is a bug, or what it is we aren't sure but the way i just explained it IS the way grief functions, not the way you explained it, and this is what makes grief bs

phelix

 

[Dahmer]

zangeif, i suggest u find an editor, find out how it works & test out for yourself or u find somebody to make grief in flamberge

just tested again
equip on barb :
normal flamberge with 400 added dmg like on grief (cant make grief in sp )
60/20 steelrends
fortitude archon
arreat(40/9dex)
storm(40/9dex)
perfect verdungo's
angelic combo (2*ring)
perfect eth sandstorms

138ed from mastery
440ed in total on armory
206str
total of 784 ed

9-15 dmg shown on flamberge
add 784ed to that -> 79-132dmg add 400 dmg to that -> 479-532 (this is the dmg shown on display)
after pvp penalty & 50 dmg red (divide by 12) u end up with 39-44 dmg (& i believe u think this is the dmg you'll do with grief flamberge)

some ppl also believe the + dmg is directly taken from life without any penalties...
dmg if that is true : 79-132 -> penalties (divide by 12) -> 6-11 + 400 -> 406-411 dmg

now after hitting a barb a bit in tcp/ip game (50% dmg red & nothing else) i ended up with 30x dmg every time (except for 1 cb/ds that gave me +/- 600 dmg)

how can u explain me doing 30x dmg if u think you're telling the truth?

recalculating dmg :
9-15 base on flamberge + 400 dmg from grief = 409-415 dmg
total ed bonus = 784

total dmg = 3615-3668
dmg after penalties(divide by 12) = 301-305 :xeek: oh no, 30x dmg :xeek:

ps : yes i used normal attack

 

[ToThePoint]

can also test easily with redeemer on realm if dont have grief instead of going through all that

 

[Zangeif]

OK I guess ED is calculated after the +damage on Grief, but it DOESN'T MATTER. The numerical difference is still the same, just not the ratio. The difference between the 2 weapons is STILL the ED% from items x the base weapon damage. You just have a lot of extra ED applied to the + damage on Grief. That number is a constant for both weapons.

 

[niomosy]

OK I guess ED is calculated after the +damage on Grief, but it DOESN'T MATTER. The numerical difference is still the same, just not the ratio. The difference between the 2 weapons is STILL the ED% from items x the base weapon damage. You just have a lot of extra ED applied to the + damage on Grief. That number is a constant for both weapons.

I believe there's a discussion in Amazon Basin involving the various bows vs. Windforce (Windforce vs. Faith). To summarize, as the off-weapon %ed increases, the WF pulls ahead of the Faith bows in terms of damage due to the straight damage increase of the WF.

 

[prion]

anyone thought about making an Insight barb just for the cool flying-on-a-cloud look when you leap?

anyone know a good leap attack build other than a booyaka?