Occy or Sprit

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IhatePindle

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Occy or Sprit

Im about to start beating hell with my sorc. I'v mf'ed andy for a while and found an occy. But Im not sure if I want to use it... Spirit gives me 84 more mana, after frosties, and 55fhr, which leaves me with 30fhr. And occy has that 1% teleport which scares me. But it gets my resists to mid 40's in hell, gets my mf to 75 and an my orb is a tiny bit stronger. So, what would you reccomend?

and I spelled spirit wrong.. Im hung over
 
The Cow King

The Cow King

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I prefer spirit. It looks cooler (way cooler), especially if ethereal, and I just - can't - stand... the f'ing teleport :laugh:

You also kick containers faster with spirit.
 
AgentMarth

AgentMarth

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If this was SC, I'd say the Occy in an instant. But this is HC, and I don't like the 25% chance to cast Deeds when struck.

Whats your build? That may help to make a difference. If you use ES, your res aren't as important, although I still try to max if possible. The other stats are helpful as well, the 55 FHR gives you a nice BP so you don't need much more. If its 33+ FCR, you only need 30 more FCR for the 63% BP, which means only 2 rings and an amulet with 10 FCR. I'd maybe recommend a Smoke for the 50 res if they are a bit lacking in Hell.

Perhaps tell us the rest of your gear so we can help you choose better. But, if you want it for the MF, just use it on switch with a MF shield for the kill.
 
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IhatePindle

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well for andy runs I do use it, but Im wondering what to use through hell...

As for my sorc, it's orb/es.
my gear is pcrown, mohakim-oak, 34viper, bone shield rhyme, frosties, 99 life belt, 14/11sandstorm. 10all resist ring and a 110 mana ring.. (prety sheity, but gheed keeps selling me ll/ml rings). without a weapon I have 729 life and 702 mana 71% block (but i can make it 75 if I put on a tower shield rhyme) . 15-26-25-70 resists. also 10fhr in charms.
I havent even looked at any bp's yet, Im sure I'll be surprised.. merc is using insight for now.

Edit: I had just found mosers, I think Im just going to do spirit/2d mosers occy rhyme switch for mf
 
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AgentMarth

AgentMarth

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I use Wizzy as well, but what if he doesn't have one?

Well it looks like you lucked out with the Moser's then. After putting 2 Pdiamond's, your res should be well off enough, and like you said, using Occy and Rhyme on switch is a good choice.

Without Spirit, it looks like you are at the 30 FHR BP, I personally shoot for the 42. But thats not an issue to much ATM. Also, unless your Spirit is 33+ FCR, you are just shy of the 63 FCR BP which most would agree is near essential.

I believe upping the Moser's gives better block, so do that if you want, or maybe an Eld/Pdiamond if you'd rather have more block than res. Then there is always the option of socketing the Viper or Peasant Crown for more goodies (Sheal, Ruby's, Sapphires, Jewels etc.).

Oh, and just a personal preference, I like to use a Prayer merc with the Insight for the wicked regen it offers.
 
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IhatePindle

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Rygor, no, I realised after a while that there was no chance of my merc tanking andy unless he had woestaff or kelpie, hat down to mouse I should of listened, (I found woestaff and that 25% slow helm) so i cant have insight, and without proper gear my mana just isnt enough, so im pumping tp, it's not lvl 20 yet but I think i'll get there by lvl 87ish depending on items.

And no I dont have wizzy, I would definitely use it. my insight isnt 33, it's 31 (2short ), so I guess I gotta find me a fcr ring with some resists. Will consider socketing viper, maybe 11 all resist jewel?

I would like to know one thing, what end gear do people usually aim for when making an andy/meph running sorc?

thanks for the replies btw
 
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MoUsE_WiZ

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For andy/meph, occy I think.
The mob packs aren't that scary, so the teleport should not be getting you killed. If the teleport is getting you killed, you would've died anyways.

The teleport is more of an issue in baal runs where you really, really, really don't want to end up in the middle of a bunch of frenzytaurs.

On top of that, as mentioned, 42 FHR is a ton and you can hit that one with a GC.

And you gain a bunch of resists, a skill, and mf. If it wasn't for the resists I'd say spirit, but everyone loves resists ^^

Oh, and most mercs don't tank andy very well... one of the main reasons I never run her. I'm sure it's possible to build one that does tank her, but it wouldn't be the same one that tanks meph so well.

Edit: oh, gear I aim for?
Wiz 15 res jewel
Upped Viper Um
Shako Um
SS Um
Tgods
Trang's glove
Aldur's Boots
Mara (primarily for CTA... if I don't have that yet then any +2 ammy, one with fcr being ideal)
Soj
+mana +fcr +resist ring
CTA/spirit monarch switch (gogo eth for str reasons), if no cta, ali+rhyme usually
Blackhorn's/Guillame's (Blackhorn's for meph, guillame's for CIs, maybe a hat with CBF if he's wearing treach and having troubles)
Gladiator's bane/Treachery (Bane for meph, treach for baals... fade drops decrep duration)
Reapers (regardless)
And obviously I prefer eth versions of all of them.
Then 8 cold charms (with life/fhr mods prefered), sorc torch, anni, 9 small vits (with resist mods prefered), and my cube in the inventory.

I like stacking resists. Oh, res+fhr jewels prefered to Um everywhere of course.
Then I get a defiance merc and my armour actually starts to make a difference.
 
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AgentMarth

AgentMarth

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If you want something on the cheaper side:

Wizzy & Blocking shield of choice
Ali Baba/Gull with Rhyme or MF shield.
Shako (Or P Crown Topaz'd)
Viper
MF rings with good stats
Chancies
Goldwrap
Res boots or WW's

I think that is a bit more reasonable, with the most expensive thing being Shako. I personally used the following, but I am also a safety freak with my Sorc

Shako Sheal'd
Wizzy Ist'd /Up'd Vis Eld
Tap Wand/Rhyme Tower on switch.
Viper 35 Um'd (Didn't get a chance to up it)
Chancies 40%
Tgod's
WW's 65 life
Natures Peace
SOJ (Yes its self found!)
Rare Amulet
Gheed's with mana/life/res/mf SC's

Merc (prayer)-
17 Insight
Duriels with 15 IAS Jewel
Vamp Sheal'd

I could have used more MF, but damn was she safe. Only one close call her whole career. She was still low level and a NM FELE mana burn Geleb (Gotta love em!) took her down to ~2/5th's of her life while amped.

Of course, everyones different, and it depends on how much you play and with who you play. Of course stuff like CtA, CoH, Infinity etc are wanted and well welcomed, I built her under the assumption of never getting stuff like that for her. You are on East I presume?
 
STINGER

STINGER

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Wizzy/Whit/Viper

Cheapest most effective way to start a mf sorc or finish her if you want. Not far from Max resisits, Max Block easy and a good deal of FCR. Use an MF switch and switch just before the target dies, not just before you fight him.

Build her strong while in NM doing Meph and Baal in NM then move to Hell Andy and she will give you a Shako in time and more stuff like a Gheeds, maybe Natures or that other nice one.

AgentMarth and Mouses builds are nice, but you can do it with a hell of alot less stuff and still have 200 MF when you switch. Alibaba + Rhyme swap is my choice.


Build here to live and she will aquire everything you need in minimal time.......build her weak and she may not replace her own gear! Your choice......

If you look around someone might swwap you a Wizzy+ for an Occy.......Occy isnt bad, but you dont need to +skills or the MF and there is always that TP risk, and as any long term HC player knows when **** can happen it does and it does at the wrong time.
 
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MoUsE_WiZ

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STINGER said:
Wizzy/Whit/Viper

Cheapest most effective way to start a mf sorc or finish her if you want.

AgentMarth and Mouses builds are nice, but you can do it with a hell of alot less stuff and still have 200 MF when you switch.
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Oh of course... he was asking for what I aim for in the end.
I've been doing it with spirit/mosers/smoke/FCR+Prismatic circlet etc, 79-85 so far (haven't done a run in like 2 weeks), wizzy+viper is damn good trade fodder at this point no sense wasting it on an MFer ^^



 
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