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  1. jmervyn

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    Nonsense; I was responding to your repetition of assertions about the TEA Party being equivalently lawless.
    But that remains one of the core demands of the OWS - that others bear their burdens.
    Ok, so that's why I cannot condone your tacit support of OWS - they demand forgiveness of their student loans, pretty much for no reason. In other words, they demand bailouts for themselves but not for bankers.

    There was another great article - in The Nation, of all places - about how one OWS notable wants forgiveness of his $35K loans for his Graduate degree...
    in Puppetry.



     
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    Hmm, I didn't mean it like that. I'm sure that the Tea Party movement consists of more lawful people than the OWS movement. I was under the impression that you described them as free of any kind of scumbags.

    Yes, because they don't have a precise definition of their agenda and I think the demagogues among them will keep it like that, to prevent the establishment of a precise agenda which would have to be defended.

    Tacit support? That's just an impression of you. If you agreed to take a loan, you will have to pay it back. However, it's OK for me to demand that the state invests more into education from all the taxes they collect. If the people pay taxes, the state has to spend it on something which the people benefits from. I got pretty angry when e.g. the German government set up a 700 billion (or so) guarantee during the bank crisis within a few days while they tried to tell me that they cannot afford to pay 1% of that on e.g. education.



     
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    I don't do impressions. :alright:

    There's certainly a few racists within TEA Party groups, and I have no doubt that there would be some people who were there to figure out if they could take advantage in some fashion. Still, a movement founded on civics and patriotism isn't the place to go looking for skullduggery.
    They <have> put such definitions forward, you know - it's just that because it's an amorphous group they don't necessarily follow them (or agree upon them).
    Again, it's because I spent {how many} pages disabusing your claim of equivalency.
    Again, that's not what they demand; their fundamental plank is wealth redistribution. As in, what's yours is mine.
    Interestingly, the grotesque distortions in higher education (as well as Hollywood) are outstandingly ignored by these rotters.



     
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    BobCox2 Pops more Popcorn.

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    Tiger attack
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    http://3.bp.************/-Rn1ECO0nm7g/TpyedFL9-dI/AAAAAAAAAEY/QbKBzi1sins/s640/The+Emperor+53+percent.jpg
     
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    Not sure why you decided to triple post, but I kinda liked the Emperor one.

    Meanwhile, 2 more deaths and a plague! Yup, just like the TEA Party.

    EDIT: even funnier observation...


    EDIT 2: A song! Links are in the original...
    Hello Faddah
    Hello Mama
    I'm Occupying
    Camp Obama
    I'm protesting
    Wall Street grabbings
    And trying to avoid the hobo stabbings

    On my iPhone
    With my last tweet
    I down-twinkled
    Jews on Wall Street
    Please don't worry
    About psychosis
    'Cause my Guy Fawkes mask repels tuberculosis

    We are saving
    This whole nation
    With some squad car
    Defecation
    We went marching
    in Zucotti
    And got applauded by the Nazi Party

    There's a raping
    Every day now
    Some are straight and
    Some are *** now
    Latest outbreak
    Dysentery
    In the food tent over by the Ben & Jerry's

    Taaaake me home
    Oh Dad and Mama
    Taaaake me home
    From Camp Obama
    Don't leave me
    Out in the plaza scent
    Made by
    The 99 percent

    Cosign loans
    Oh Dad and Mama
    Don't make groans
    Oh Dad and Mama
    'Cause Van Jones
    Assures me that it's cool
    For me
    To go to graduate schooooool

    Just a minute
    Dad and Mama
    Got a message
    From Obama
    He doesn't like the
    way we're livin'
    So our student loans are hereby all forgiven

    No more worries
    No more bothers
    All thanks to our
    Founding fathers
    Our dear leaders
    won't let me fail
    Dear Mom and Dad please disregard this email
     
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    Re: Occupy OTF

    People complain about the banker being corrupt but the Politicians are worse.

    You cannot read the description of the options trading allegedly conducted by Rep. Spencer Bachus during the financial crisis and conclude anything other than the following:

    Our government is completely corrupt.

    Yes, this behavior may be technically legal, because of an absurd loophole that makes insider-trading rules not apply to Congress.
    Yes, this behavior may be widespread on Capitol Hill.
    No, there is no universe in which a reasonable person would consider this behavior ethical or okay.
    The fact that Bachus was a member of Congress and traded on private information he received as a result of his job is bad enough. The fact that he was the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee at the time is simply outrageous.



     
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    Hey, don't single "Bacchus" out; this is exactly why I consider Progressives to be dangerous buffoons. They believe that making people who are above the law ever more powerful is a good idea.

    Princess Pelosi has her head, both feet, and probably other body parts in the trough (despite the purported 'smear', if one Dem profile vs. 4 Rep profiles is a 'smear'). The previous Democrat nominee for President is a filthy, tax-dodging crook. Rahmbo took us all to the cleaners with that favorite of Democrat causes, Fannie Mae. Lastly, just because you're not elected to office doesn't mean you can't profit from the same political malevolence and hypocrisy - just ask Obama's favorite Fat Cat!



     
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    Anarchy is not likely to receive protection as a political movement, but I have to giggle at your article. Those crazy Canuckstanians! So am I to assume that rioting is perfectly legal up north, as long as you're not covering your face? :crazyeyes:



     
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    Lobbying = Legalized corruption.

    The first thing that the Occcupy people should do is to move to outlaw lobbying. Cut the monetary bond between government and special interest, and you will have politicians working for the people rather than their financier.

    By the way, the Tea Party people want the same thing. And a majority of Americans. But everyone gets too tied up with their own party's politics with issues that affects them very insignificantly. And this confusion is actively manipulated to hide the biggest problem - legalized corruption.

    IMO, abortions, *** rights, national health care, etc. are minor issues that can be reach via compromise. Legalized corruption is not.

    Get rid of legalized corruption first. Then we can kill each other of the other issues later.
     
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    I heard on the radio yesterday a clip of an Occupy San Diego d-bag organizing a moment of silence to honor the idiot who fired nine shots at the White House last week. 'Cause that's the highlight of any respectable political movement, honoring people who attempt to assassinate the President. Good job, guys.
     
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    That's why e.g. German parties get a refund for their election campaigns if they reach a certain amount of votes (€5 per vote if they reach 1% or so). You might ask why the tax payer has to fund election campaigns. The answer is simple: You are doing it either way.

    If it's funded by others, these others will demand back their money in some way, else they wouldn't do it. With other words, the people will refund the companies (and thus the election campaigns) with their taxes, deductions or some other extra amount of money as well.

    The difference is that companies fund campaigns which are to their advantage while I expect from parties that they do good to society. I'm not talking about feeding needy, poor, dumb or lazy people, but about society in general. If companies are needed to achieve that, it's all fine, but the chain of logic is the other way around if the companies can demand something from the politicians, no matter if it might or might not be good for the state, and then it has more or less to be done like that because the party would go broke if donations of the industry cease. It's simply an invitation to blackmail. What makes it worse, it can be done in a legal manner.

    A third alternative would be to disallow funding by companies and only allow those by private persons, but that will never work because there are a zillion ways to get around that, like cutting a donation into 100,000 pieces and get them donated anonymously or by straw men.

    For the sake of completeness, I don't complain about companies being egoistic. In fact I expect them to be like that, else it would distort competition. However, people should be aware of that all the time while it seems to me that this isn't always considered well enough, like when some spokesmen tell us his tales about the responsibility or social attitude of his company. It's the job of lobbyists to let their clients appear in a good light. You know what a fly has eaten and what it has set its feet on when it comes out of the toilet bowl, so don't forget that when it flies into the kitchen and lands on your dinner. So yes, I'm disgusted by the tales of lobbyists.



     
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    Sadly, the Occupoopers were also demanding Socialism, Communism, and Anarchy pretty much from the get-go. What do you expect from a "movement" bankrolled by George Soros & Co.?

    So it shouldn't be surprising that the OWS attempt to co-opt legitimate issues from the TEA types has been grist for the hypocrisy mill.
    You heard correctly. But what you didn't hear, thanks to the deafening media silence, is that said idiot very likely was one of the Occupiers.



     
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    Not exactly. What makes it worse is that while the New Left avoids comparisons to the Third Reich, to the point of ludicrous extremes, it is exactly the sort of collusion that Italy, Germany and Japan practiced under fascism. The phrase I've heard coined that is politically neutral is "crony capitalism", but far more accurately as "venture socialism". :smug:



     
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    I'm sure that under a diehard socialistic system, the industry will not be allowed to fund parties (whatever parody of them might exist in a state with a socialistic economy), but only because the industry will not exist anymore as an independent force. I think we had it before: The national socalists stopped being socialistic when they arranged themselves with the industry (which still existed as separate institutions during their reign, something which would be unthinkable for socialists), but it's not much better with "real" socialists. They simply confiscate the companies and then pretend to have them under the control of the people while it's actually under the control of the new rulers.

    What I meant with "doing it in a legal manner" is that the industry san say "doing this and that would not be to our favour, so we will have to stop our donations then". That's a legitimate statement, of course, but for the party itself it feels like "do as we say or your existence will find its end" if they cannot pay their bills in a different manner.
     
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    This is correct; the titles may change but the structures remain. The only thing that really happens is the companies stultify and become more bureaucratic. As for the assorted "-isms", they really don't have much of a speed bump when converting a company to State control; the only differentiation is how far down the management structure political appointments are made.

    Of course, this activity is the prima facie evidence of Obama's socialism.
    As seen with Obama's banking 'bailout', the GM bankruptcy, and assorted other episodes, the Left will simply loot the company and damn the consequences. They are ignorant and malevolent enough to not care about long-term effects, because not only are the companies only evil Big X capitalists at heart, but "the end justifies the means". History has plenty of cases where Leftists kill the golden goose... {more to Bob below}
    The problem is that these aren't much above show trials to manage public outrage. Both the USSR and China would routinely snuff mid-level management, not only pour encourager les autres but to support the internal AND external propaganda that their economic system was actually fair and dynamic. It only differs from America in terms of severity; Glenn Beck or the Koch brothers would be castrated and crucified, but Bill Maher and George Soros are protected and excused.



     
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    I don't understand how anybody can believe Obama to be a socialist, seriously.

    There's a difference to have certain things under state control and being a socialist. A socialist wants next to every kind of means of production to be under state control. Socialists would probably regard it as an insult to throw somebody like Obama into their boat, they might prefer to have people like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro in it (who are scumbags IMO, for the sake of completeness).
     

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