Obedience

[reclinemusic]

Obedience

So I was fooling around in the pits and came across an eth great poleaxe which I swiftly cubed for some sockets. of course I was hoping for 4 but 5 came out.

I knew people sold 5soc polearms but I wasn't sure what good runewords there were for the a2 merc.

I typically play bowzons and use the trusty reapers toll on my might merc.

The runeword obedience caught my eye and was wondering what comments anyone had on using this runeword on an a2 merc. The ED is pretty sick and it has come interesting C2C's...

Looks like the other 5soc polearm runeword could be doom, but I definitely don't have the runes for that. I'm only asking about obedience because I have the runes to make it.

anyway, any thoughts?


Obedience:

5 Socket Polearms
Hel + Ko + Thul + Eth + Fal

30% Chance To Cast Level 21 Enchant WYKE
40% Faster Hit Recovery
+370% Enhanced Damage
-25% Target Defense
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage 3 Second Duration (Normal)
-25% To Enemy Fire Resistance
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
+200-300 Defense (varies)
+10 To Strength
+10 To Dexterity
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Requirements -20%"

 

[Norrit]

Re: Obedience

I used one of those on my goldfind barb's merc. I like it for budget, but even then I'd take eth insight or eth reaper's over it any day of the week.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: Obedience

If you dont need the aura from Insight or have the funds to trade for an eth Reapers Toll, an eth Obediance is king. Huge ED, huge CB, huge FHR, CtC Enchant is greavy. Also comes with defense and very nice -25 Target Defense.

For the price (Hel + Ko + Thul + Eth + Fal) it is very underrated. If you are on a budget, Obediance and a Duress Armor is a killer combo. (For helm, anything with LL goes)

 

[reclinemusic]

Re: Obedience

Thanks all. I typically go with duriel's (need to actually 'up one one of these days ><) on the body armor for the merc. I've never seen an eth toll go up for auction but I'm sure its quite pricy. I usually go with Crown of thieves for my mercs helm just for the LL. It would be hard to part with the decripify and huge LL on even the normal toll.

thanks again for the thoughts.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: Obedience

I typically go with duriel's

Duriel
+160-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+ (1.25 Per Character Level) 1-123 Defense (Based On Character Level)
+ (1 Per Character Level) 1-99 To Life (Based On Character Level)
Resist Fire +20%
Resist Lightning +20%
Resist Poison +20%
Resist Cold +50%
Cannot Be Frozen
+15 To Strength

vs

Duress Shael + Um + Thul
40% Faster Hit Recovery
+10-20% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 37-133 Cold Damage 2 sec. Duration (Normal)
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
33% Chance of Open Wounds
+150-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
-20% Slower Stamina Drain
Cold Resist +45%
Lightning Resist +15%
Fire Resist +15%
Poison Resist +15%


Im not saying Duriels is bad, its an ok armor for merc. But compared to Duress, it 'only' has 5% more res and more life(+CBF), but the other mods on Duress just sweaps the Duriels away dure to the huge FHR, CB, OW and the small ED. Very underrated imo. And if you combo it with Obedience, you have 80FHR, 55CB, 33OW + more than enough resists for your merc.

 

[reclinemusic]

Re: Obedience

Thanks for listing the duress stats... damn that's hot. You know how you just kinda get used to things? ... that's how I am with duriels... I just get used to my merc never being frozen... dunno, its weird I know. But I suppose with all those resists he's not going to be frozen for very long.

So lets say for my bowzon I go with the eth obedience, duress and keep the CoT for LL? Good setup?

My bowzon's physical (strafe/multi), and I'm shooting for a faith/fort setup.

Thanks again.

 

[wrsx]

Re: Obedience

If you need CBF, why not just use Kira's along with Duress? You get a hefty res bonus, but you won't have life leech

 

[reclinemusic]

Re: Obedience

but you won't have life leech

yeah... wonder how big of a deal it is.

had to edit this, what i said before didn't make sense ><

 

[reclinemusic]

Re: Obedience

Oh yes, I'm digging this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Enby/yeahboi.jpg

 

[stephan]

Re: Obedience

For a merc I'd prefer Duriels over Duress. I value CBF much higher than 15 %CB and any amount of OW. Being chilled pretty much nullifies any benefit you get from that. A Duress certainly does not 'sweep' a Duriels away.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: Obedience

I guess its a personal choice, but imo CBF isnt a big problem on a merc.


But, something that is important: If you are a physical bowazon, you need something to deal with physical immune. If you dont wanna go FA or MA, you will need either amp damage or Decrepify. If you aint using Atma amulet, the Reapers Toll will remove physical immunity on most monsters(and slow them down). A non-eth reapers will do you very good too.

 

[sirpoopsalot]

Re: Obedience

A Duress certainly does not 'sweep' a Duriels away.

I've tried Duress + Vamp + Insight many times and have found it a very solid setup for a merc. The last time I tried Duriels + Vamp + Insight I found it noticeably more fragile by comparison.

IIRC, my Duriels attempt was on a Prayer merc (which is hardly the most durable), and maybe the build I was playing was a little more fragile/underpowered (which could magnify the mercs fragility) but in my experience I found Duress does indeed 'sweep' Duriels away - when I based that evaluation on in-game results.

:crazyeyes:

FYI, my Duress is in a 'normal' Archon Plate, and my Duriels is not upgraded or ethereal... I'm not sure if/how much ethereal or upgraded would matter.



And KremBanan is right that Reaper's Toll does not need to be ethereal to be an excellent merc weapon. Depending on the situation it can be better than any Obedience, but sometimes you might want the Obedience instead. It depends on your build and what you want the merc to do.

 

[mackscynox]

Re: Obedience

i think obedience is better than reapers.

most people consider the PI and decrepify. on that weapon there is a ctc Enchant (93 average fire dmg, also consider reduced -25 Fire res of enemies) + Duress (80 average cold) and also if the merc is a holy freeze type, bonus cold dmg from HolyFreeze. so can kill low life PIs.

Too bad he dies from iron maiden, because he is a moron lol.....

 

[stephan]

Re: Obedience

I've tried Duress + Vamp + Insight many times and have found it a very solid setup for a merc. The last time I tried Duriels + Vamp + Insight I found it noticeably more fragile by comparison.

And I have found the exact opposite. A chilled merc is a useless merc. They move around to slowly and do half the damage they normally would. I don't see how 15% more CB and 40% off-weapon ED (which certainly on a might merc is very little) is going to compensate for that. When not chilled the difference shouldn't even be that big. :scratchchin:

 

[Pitboss_2000]

Re: Obedience

My Necro loves his Obedience+Duress merc, and so do I! ^^

 

[PFSS]

Re: Obedience

Thanks for listing the duress stats... damn that's hot. You know how you just kinda get used to things? ... that's how I am with duriels... I just get used to my merc never being frozen... dunno, its weird I know. But I suppose with all those resists he's not going to be frozen for very long.

Can I recommend a Treachery Armor instead. Once the procs kick in this is what you will have:

Shael + Thul + Lem

45% Increased Attack Speed
15% Damage Reduction
60% Fire Resist
60% Light Resist
60% Poison Resist
90% Cold Resist
Curse Length Reduced by 79% (IM be gone)
~300 poison damage over 0.2 seconds
20% Faster Hit Recovery

You also get 50% Extra Gold :undecided:

IMO it is the best legit merc armor in the game. And the 45% IAS will be very noticable with the massive crushing blow from Obedience.

 

[reclinemusic]

Re: Obedience

So a little more info I suppose: here's my bowzon's gear at the moment:
Mav helm, Harmony Mat bow, Atma's, Smoke Dusk shroud (my res was laughable, and I can't afford fort yet), laying of hands, raven, nos coil, ML/Str ring, Goreriders

So yes, as of now I have a way to deal with ugly PIs. Once I get a faith/fort setup, most likely I will go back to the reapers for the merc, just for utility, and cats eye for my breakpoints.

Thanks for the discussion. I think I'll stick with the duress/obedience setup for a bit and see how it goes.

 

[mephiztophelez]

Re: Obedience

i like the obedience runeword. my pvp fire sorks merc has one and damn he hits hard.

if it didn't have cold damage on it, my skelly'nec's merc would use one too.

 

[Patriarch Syticus]

Re: Obedience

If I have a necro Summoner, with a Obedience-weilding merc, would the "Enchant" transfer to the skellies?
I suspect not, but if so, I should make one next time I find a good 5 socketer.

 

[Pitboss_2000]

Re: Obedience

No, Enchant only works on the character holding the polearm, in this case your merc.