Garbad_the_Weak
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
Obama lied; the economy died
Obama lied; the economy died
Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
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llad12
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
When threads are trivial, undignified responses become appropriate.I've heard of a sore loser, but a sore winner?
When did you become a troll, llad?
llad12
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
Regardless, Obama inherited this mess ... from a Republican administration. You think he can fix it in two months? Go fly a kite.
That said, McCain was your man? I guess women's reproductive rights don't sit too well with you these days.
Pity
My Golden boy? I was a Richardson supporter m'lady. He vowed to leave no American soldiers in Iraq.
Regardless, Obama inherited this mess ... from a Republican administration. You think he can fix it in two months? Go fly a kite.
That said, McCain was your man? I guess women's reproductive rights don't sit too well with you these days.
Pity
Garbad_the_Weak
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
A liberal is a person who would rather kill a baby than a serial killer.
A liberal is a person who would rather kill a baby than a serial killer.
krischan
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
The usual strategy to take advantage of these issues is to pickle the incident, so you get it out in the next election campaign. You have to make it ripen a bit by causing a certain amount of an outrage now, of course, else nobody will remember in 3.5 years. But not too much, else people will get bored about it when hearing it again latrer.
The usual strategy to take advantage of these issues is to pickle the incident, so you get it out in the next election campaign. You have to make it ripen a bit by causing a certain amount of an outrage now, of course, else nobody will remember in 3.5 years. But not too much, else people will get bored about it when hearing it again latrer.
Nazdakka
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I don't think it's reasonable to blame the current state of the US economy on Obama. The whole crisis is global in nature has been going on for over 18 months now with a Republican in the White House. Given that I don't see how you can possibly argue that it is all the new guy's fault. Give him 2-3 years and then judge the results.
I don't think it's reasonable to blame the current state of the US economy on Obama. The whole crisis is global in nature has been going on for over 18 months now with a Republican in the White House. Given that I don't see how you can possibly argue that it is all the new guy's fault. Give him 2-3 years and then judge the results.
zodiac66
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
McCain would have been quite a bit better than the inexperienced buffoon we have now. But, he is black and that is all that matters.
MYK
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
It would have been better if...
If we could have...
If only...
It would have been better if...
If we could have...
If only...
Please, this is a political thread. Check your logic at the door.
SaroDarksbane
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
I guess as long as no allies were offended by his odd choice of gifts, you could consider this a trivial thread. Still was hoping to get a view from the other side, though.
Glurin
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
I don't think anyone is actually blaming him for the current state of things so much as blaming him for trying to make things worse. The democrats who've been in control for two years though....Nazdakka said:
If somebody comes to me and suggests I take the side off my house and replace it with toilet paper, I'm not going to wait two or three years before deciding that that is a bad idea.Nazdakka said:
SaroDarksbane
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However, I think the statement in question was meant to express that you should wait a while before calling him a failure, not that you shouldn't predict that he will fail.
For example, I think that with his current views, he will be totally ineffective in repairing the economy long term. However, I find it a bit premature to call him a failure at it yet, since he just got into office.
That should win an award as the most random analogy I've ever encountered.
However, I think the statement in question was meant to express that you should wait a while before calling him a failure, not that you shouldn't predict that he will fail.
For example, I think that with his current views, he will be totally ineffective in repairing the economy long term. However, I find it a bit premature to call him a failure at it yet, since he just got into office.
pancakeman
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*: If you couldn't guess, I'm going to refer to him as "your man" just to annoy you. It seems like a fun thing to do.
Do you actually contribute, or just stand by and post what you believe to be witty banter?
Are you actually going to argue that the housing crisis was Bush's fault? Didn't this horse get beaten enough when this whole ****storm first struck? You could make the argument that the current President is in charge of it, even if he didn't start it, but then your man Obama* would still be responsible.
*: If you couldn't guess, I'm going to refer to him as "your man" just to annoy you. It seems like a fun thing to do.
Croup
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
Yes, because all that is being a "liberal" is based on the views on the death penalty and abortion. Bravo.
I could have sworn that we were only two months into the Obama presidency. And I could have sworn that 100 days was the typical "honeymoon period" for newly elected presidents. And yes, obviously, the entire election was based on Obama being black. In a country where whites are still the plurality. In a country where full rights for black people are only 50 years old. But sure, the election was entirely based on race. Keep playing the martyr card for no good reason.
You got my point of view earlier on. I thought that Obama could have handled things better. That being said, it's the first interaction two months into the Obama presidency. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (and yes, surprisingly, I would have given Bush the same benefit of the doubt).
MYK
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
I contribute to this forum about as much as this thread does.
Johnny
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
What matters is that Obama was elected. That he was the person that the people wanted for a leader. If we should just throw away the people's vote in favour of experience then you could have taken Bush for another 4 years. I mean Bush has 8 years of experience as president. How much experience does Mccain have at being president? Nil.
lAmebAdger
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i believe it's some kind of a rule that a president of the US can't be in office for more than 8 years at any time
i believe it's some kind of a rule that a president of the US can't be in office for more than 8 years at any time
jmervyn
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
C'mon, folks are you really telling me that you didn't see this one coming? Obama is proud of his ignorance of history, and IIRC said so openly during the campaign. What other explanation for our two-fingered salute to Britain at the same time we're paying Hamas $900M and acting like we're trying to get into Iran's knickers?
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I do agree, however, that in the great Pokemon game that is the OTF, martyr cards are MINE!
Fixed that for you. As in, publicly taking a dump on Gordy's head.
C'mon, folks are you really telling me that you didn't see this one coming? Obama is proud of his ignorance of history, and IIRC said so openly during the campaign. What other explanation for our two-fingered salute to Britain at the same time we're paying Hamas $900M and acting like we're trying to get into Iran's knickers?
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The election was substantially a matter of race, whether you realized it over there or not. The Obamessiah repeatedly hit that issue, Colin Powell's endorsement was centered upon it, and a substantial number of Obama voters openly said so.
I do agree, however, that in the great Pokemon game that is the OTF, martyr cards are MINE!
llad12
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Re: Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown
Embarrassing as that was, I don't believe it will make one iota difference in the alliance of Great Britain and the United States.
It appears that JMc's view of the "Government of the people" ... "for the people" ... "by the people" only counts when nations elect who we want.
That's right! There are no reasons for opening talks with Iran or having any other sensible ideas to our foreign policies. Rome is Burning! We need another War!
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phool
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As far as I'm concerned. Obama was clearly charismatic and ambitious (though imo on a personal level, someone who would put himself before his country) but untested, though he conducted a mostly decent campaign (a couple of slips, such as the lipstick on a pig comment and his attitudes towards farmers/deep south/whatever). McCain was more experienced, less charismatic, old, but generally seemed a fairly decent candidate until he demonstrated otherwise with the shortsighted and hasty choice of the idiotic Palin for VP.
All in all this **** up raises questions, not answers, when we have no idea to what extent Obama or his aides were involved in the selection, whether no-one who should have known better knew of the decision (at least until too late) or whether they were ignored. Hopefully these early errors with no real impact will ensure more serious errors in future will be avoided.
As far as I'm concerned. Obama was clearly charismatic and ambitious (though imo on a personal level, someone who would put himself before his country) but untested, though he conducted a mostly decent campaign (a couple of slips, such as the lipstick on a pig comment and his attitudes towards farmers/deep south/whatever). McCain was more experienced, less charismatic, old, but generally seemed a fairly decent candidate until he demonstrated otherwise with the shortsighted and hasty choice of the idiotic Palin for VP.
All in all this **** up raises questions, not answers, when we have no idea to what extent Obama or his aides were involved in the selection, whether no-one who should have known better knew of the decision (at least until too late) or whether they were ignored. Hopefully these early errors with no real impact will ensure more serious errors in future will be avoided.