Obama should get some good intel from this

[Amra]

Obama should get some good intel from this

Delta 4-Heavy rocket launches secret satellite

The NRO payload on the Delta 4-Heavy is a 5-to-6 ton eavesdropping spacecraft with a high tech deployable antenna as wide as 350 feet.

The spacecraft is to enhance the capability for the U.S. to listen in on communications in hostile governments like Iran and terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda.

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The satellite is likely an "Advanced Mentor" design, according to GlobalSecurity.Org, a military think tank. Earlier versions were designated Orion.

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launch photos

Impressive.

 

[CyberHawk]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

That is neat.

I'm surprised Obama wasn't out there pointing fingers at people screaming NOOOooo...you can do this! This would help US in times of war and what-not!!1! Its wrong to want waaar!1! Its wrong to want technology for waaar!



But really lol,...I need to watch what I say about the IRS.....!

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

I'm surprised Obama wasn't out there pointing fingers at people screaming NOOOooo...you can do this! This would help US in times of war and what-not!!1! Its wrong to want waaar!1! Its wrong to want technology for waaar!

Oh, come on. You know full well that peace-chirping only applies as long as it's directed against the proper enemies. There's every reason to believe that this will become an important tool in the fight against terrorist threats to our nation*.

*{'cause there's not a GWoT, ya know}

 

[Johnny]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Salty conservative tears is the sweetest sauce.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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There's every reason to believe that this will become an important tool in the fight against terrorist threats to our nation.

As odd as that is, I'm not sure the writer of that piece is comparing apples to apples.

The FBI is only allowed to be involved in cases spanning multiple states, iirc, so the murder of a taxi driver is not something that the FBI will get involved in unless it has a cross-state component. The belief is probably that abortion bombings have at their core some group component (hence the "conspiracy" in the name), whereas your average taxi driver killing doesn't. If tomorrow a group decided that taxi driving was against God's Divine Plan (tm) and started knocking them off in an organized way across the US, I'm sure the FBI would jump all over it.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Salty conservative tears is the sweetest sauce.

{/reading the rest of the card} - when you've been screaming about B00sh not being "your" president for 8 years.

It's an American thing, Johnny; you wouldn't understand. We kind of like concepts like "freedom", even if they're rarely realized in absolute terms.

As odd as that is, I'm not sure the writer of that piece is comparing apples to apples.

That's probably true; the writer is pointing out how minuscule the threat of Christians & such are in comparison with other crimes, but that doesn't mean the "organized" aspect of the Evangelical Mafia wouldn't be disturbing to the Clintons. I mean, what would B.J. do if he couldn't spawn out-of-wedlock without fear of retribution? And Hilly being forced to atone for her sins?! :crazyeyes:

Regardless, the concept of an Evangelical Mafia is not only asinine but overblown; Christianity might be apocalyptic but it doesn't <seek> an apocalypse; the modern-day William Ayers (Timmy McVeigh) wasn't a Christian zealot. When Eric Rudolph was on the lam he was given succor not by a secret cabal of KKKristians but by salt-of-the-earth types living along the Appalachian Trail who didn't know who he was. Maybe they were part of the 90% of Americans who believe in a deity, and maybe they were a bit too libertarian for tender Progressive sensibilities, but they weren't organized in their actions.

One might consider the whole Mafia thing pretty silly at that... The days of Chicago gangland are long over, yet the Feebs concentrate overly on the Italian mafia, all while MS-13 and other gangland slayings on the Southern border kill more American people in a year than service-members which have been lost in all overseas theaters since the GWoT began.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Regardless, the concept of an Evangelical Mafia is not only asinine but overblown

I don't have any idea how big the file in question is compared to other organized crime investigations.

And just because your average Christian isn't an abortion bombing conspirator doesn't mean no Christian abortion bombing conspiracy groups exist, just as the fact that your average Libertarian isn't a crazy, gun-toting, "off the grid", log-cabin-living, "the guberment is illegal" extremist from Montana doesn't mean those groups don't exist either.

We kind of like words like "freedom", even if no one seems to have a clue what they actually mean.

Fixed that for ya.

"Ban gay marriage . . . for freedom!" *hand over heart, looking off to the horizon*

 

[Amra]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

I'm surprised Obama wasn't out there pointing fingers at people screaming NOOOooo...you can do this! This would help US in times of war and what-not!!1! Its wrong to want waaar!1! Its wrong to want technology for waaar!

He will have his chance to stop the next one.

He has to get the money for his welfare programs from somewhere.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

And just because your average Christian isn't an abortion bombing conspirator doesn't mean no Christian abortion bombing conspiracy groups exist, just as the fact that your average Libertarian isn't a crazy, gun-toting, "off the grid", log-cabin-living, "the guberment is illegal" extremist from Montana doesn't mean those groups don't exist either.

True insofar as it goes, but comparison with the established size of both extra-national criminal gangs, internal criminal enterprises, and multi-national terror groups should more than underscore the illegitimate nature of rooting through Catholic League trash bins looking for money laundering evidence or bomb-making paraphernalia.

"Ban gay marriage . . . for freedom!" *hand over heart, looking off to the horizon*

Yeah, that whole "democratic government" theme doesn't sound like it's really gone over well with Prop 8 in California. So much for majority rule, huh?

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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So much for majority rule, huh?

That's only half the equation, and you know it.

Otherwise you'll have to explain why you think people should even have the option to vote on whether or not black people can marry white people.

Yeah, that whole "democratic government" theme doesn't sound like it's really gone over well with Prop 8 in California.

Keeping campaign finance records public is against democracy?

Personally, I'd like to know who to boycott for being a bigot.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Otherwise you'll have to explain why you think people should even have the option to vote on whether or not black people can marry white people.

Then again, we could get the courts to overrule the various laws against pedophilia on the grounds that it's a legitimate "lifestyle choice" which is magically part of the Bill of Rights.

Personally, I'd like to know who to boycott for being a bigot.

So you can firebomb their house in the spirit of tolerance, no doubt. :coffee:

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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Then again, we could get the courts to overrule the various laws against pedophilia on the grounds that it's a legitimate "lifestyle choice" which is magically part of the Bill of Rights.

Yes, of course. If we allow consensual sex between adults, we must also (logically) allow the rape of minors. How could I have missed the connection?

Next you're going to argue that the majority has the right to take away gay people's driver's licenses, because if they can't, then to be consistent they should start giving driver's licenses to two year olds.

Not even close.

So you can firebomb their house in the spirit of tolerance, no doubt. :coffee:

You do realize that the pro-bigotry crowd used the exact same information to track down opponents of the bill to boycott them, yes?

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

You do realize that the pro-bigotry crowd used the exact same information to track down opponents of the bill to boycott them, yes?

Proof once again that both "bigotry" and "tolerance" are in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Johnny]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Democracy always feels a bit weird when people want to start voting away other groups rights. I mean in theory the people's vote is the "proper" judgement but the majority would vote away a lot of things from the minority and so it would be up to someone with dictatorial powers to keep the minority safe.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

Proof once again that both "bigotry" and "tolerance" are in the eye of the beholder.

"I'm not a bigot, I just don't want those black folks marrying us white folks. What?"

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

"I'm not a bigot, I just don't want those black folks marrying us white folks. What?"

You should re-read Johnny's previous post; it's remarkably accurate.

(How did that happen?) :scratchchin:

I'm not a bigot either; I just want you whiteys to give me free money and job protection because of the color of my skin (just not anyone else's).

 

[SaroDarksbane]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

You should re-read Johnny's previous post; it's remarkably accurate.

You: "So much for majority rule, huh?"
Me: "That's only half the equation"

You were supposed to infer, "Majority rule, with minority rights" as the correct phrase.

That's the full answer. You can't have two wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner (i.e. some things should never come to a vote). And if they do come to a vote, and the outcome is resisted, criticized and challenged in court, throwing up your hands and lamenting the end of democracy as we know it is, well, stupid.

I trust you know better.

I'm not a bigot either; I just want you whiteys to give me free money and job protection because of the color of my skin (just not anyone else's).

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are racial quotas supposed to be something I support? Because I don't.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: Obama should get some good intel from this

You were supposed to infer, "Majority rule, with minority rights" as the correct phrase.

Nevertheless, minority protections consistently come out of the sausage-grinder not just as minority rights but as minority rule. And that's not how it's meant to work.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are racial quotas supposed to be something I support? Because I don't.

Would have thought you did, actually, since they're the way to redress imagined slights against the nebulous concept of "race". Just because my skin is not an approved shade (as opposed to a wonderful passin' near-beige) hardly means that I've got unique other characteristics based on genetics. Well, other than the well-known one... :blush:

You've already agreed that we ought overturn millenia-old definitions of social structure based solely on personal preferences of where one sticks one's pecker. Either way, you're bigoted/biased with the expectation of those in disagreement with you being unenlightened primitives.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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Nevertheless, minority protections consistently come out of the sausage-grinder not just as minority rights but as minority rule. And that's not how it's meant to work.

I agree.

You've already agreed that we ought overturn millenia-old definitions of social structure based solely on personal preferences of where one sticks one's pecker.

I want straight people and *** people to have the same opportunities and rights under the law. Personally, If I Was In Charge (tm), the government wouldn't offer incentives for married couples at all so this wouldn't even be an issue.

Now, if I was forcing you to enter into a *** marriage, or cheating us straight folk out of getting married by virtue of us being straight (as in your affirmative action example), you'd have a point and I would agree with you.

Either way, you're bigoted/biased with the expectation of those in disagreement with you being unenlightened primitives.

Only, if you define bigot as someone who believes others are bigoted. Of course,that would make you a bigot for calling me a bigot for calling you a bigot, yes?

Word games are fun.

 

[Tanooki]

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Since we brought up pedophilia... what the hell. Until women's rights movements changed things, 12 years of age used to be the legal age of consent. There's nothing magical about the government. They simply pass laws and society reacts.

So what used to be considered consentual sex is now considered rape. What changed? Nothing but a single law.