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Oath or Kingslayer?

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  1. kanonfutter

    kanonfutter IncGamers Member

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    Oath or Kingslayer?

    My current, and probably for a long time total rune wealth amounts to making either Kingslayer or Oath. Due to style, it will go in a cryptic sword instead of a berserker axe, and it is to be used by zealots and frenziers.

    The big question is: Which to choose? Oath would enable me to make Stone as well, which is a rather nice paladin armor (monstrous defence w/ HS), but Kingslayer seems much more powerful.

    I know that it is hard to give advice on so vague guidelines, but whatever I make needs to last for a longtime, possibly endgame weapon for several characters. I have a decent amount of runes below fal for midlevel alternatives, and Arkaines and Azurewrath awaits if I proceed above 85 before taking Baal out.

    Thanks for your input,

    -Kanonfutter
     
  2. NagisaFurukawa

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Oath is the much better choice, IMO. Kingslayer would be more for novelty builds. =).
     
  3. Jaedhann

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    I would go oath in an eth. weapon. It will outdamage a kingslayer if the roll is half decent. And after you are done with it, hel it and make a kingslayer in it as it will be indestuctable.
     
  4. sirpoopsalot

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    <--- what jae said.
     
  5. Starlight_Wizard

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Honestly, make both. Make 2x Oath in your ethereal weaps of choice and get rid of the one with the worst ed% roll and make Kingslayer. It will retain the indestructible mod and it will rock.

    I did that myself:

    Oath
    Balrog Blade
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 87 to 446
    Two-Hand Damage: 327 to 706
    Required Dexterity: 77
    Required Strength: 175
    Required Level: 53
    Sword Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0xb92d4fb1
    +10 to Energy
    +299% Enhanced Damage (210-340%, I kept this one)
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +11 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    Kingslayer
    Balrog Blade
    'MalUmGulFal'
    One-Hand Damage: 78 to 399
    Two-Hand Damage: 292 to 631
    Required Dexterity: 77
    Required Strength: 175
    Required Level: 53
    Sword Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 81
    Fingerprint: 0x7510ea9e
    +10 to Strength
    +257% Enhanced Damage
    40% Extra Gold from Monsters
    30% Increased Attack Speed
    +1 to Vengeance
    -25% Target Defense
    Prevent Monster Heal
    20% Bonus to Attack Rating
    50% Chance of Open Wounds
    33% Chance of Crushing Blow
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    :wink3:

    I see you don't have the runes for 2x Oath + Kingslayer, so start with an Oath now, make a second one when you can, and then when you get the runes Hel the worst one and put Kingslayer into it.
     
  6. Skinnyy

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    I like cryptic swords too, good for style. May yours role better than this:

    Oath
    Cryptic Sword
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 24 to 402
    Required Dexterity: 99
    Required Strength: 89
    Required Level: 61
    Sword Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0xddb0acda
    +10 to Energy
    +250% Enhanced Damage ------ (range 200 - 340)
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +14 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    Even though it is a below average roll it still beats most 1-handed uniques. Someday it will become a Kingslayer when I get the runes. And because I really like Oath, I have another one too (which can't become a kingslayer due to the base weapon, so luckily it got a good roll):

    Oath
    Scourge
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 15 to 474
    Required Dexterity: 67
    Required Strength: 115
    Required Level: 57
    Mace Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0x6bf0be44
    +10 to Energy
    +295% Enhanced Damage
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    150% Damage to Undead
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +12 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    The base weapons have nearly identical average base damage (41 for cryptic sword, 41.5 for the scourge) so you can see how much the damage roll can effect the end damage of the weapon (213 ave damage for the 250% ED cryptic sword vs. 244.5 ave damage for the 295% ED scourge)
     
  7. Neksja

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    as people have showed their weapons here, I'll show mine:

    Oath
    Cryptic Sword
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 29 to 479
    Required Dexterity: 99
    Required Strength: 89
    Required Level: 61
    Sword Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0x1ab548cf
    +10 to Energy
    +317% Enhanced Damage
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +14 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    That one is almost perfect roll in 1.11b base eth cryptic sword.

    Kingslayer
    Cryptic Sword
    'MalUmGulFal'
    One-Hand Damage: 25 to 477
    Required Dexterity: 99
    Required Strength: 89
    Required Level: 61
    Sword Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x331903a6
    +10 to Strength
    +265% Enhanced Damage
    40% Extra Gold from Monsters
    30% Increased Attack Speed
    +1 to Vengeance
    -25% Target Defense
    Prevent Monster Heal
    20% Bonus to Attack Rating
    50% Chance of Open Wounds
    33% Chance of Crushing Blow
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    That one is very nice roll on 1.07 (extra 50% max damage) base eth cryptic sword, which was first oath, to make it indestructible and then runes removed (indestructible mode stays, if you remove the runeword with other character than who made it), rolled kingslayer.

    As others have said, start with Oath. As you can see, Kingslayer gets to Oath's damage, only when it's brought from v1.07 and made indestructible. Of course, Kingslayer has CB and OW (plus vengeange against PI's), but it has 20ias less. I'd vote for Oath definitely, 50ias and possible 300+ed can't be beaten by normal Kingslayer.

    Excellent choice that Cryptic Sword :thumbsup:
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    It's also worth noting that the property that makes Kingslayer unique - the +1 to Vengeance mod- is best used with a 2-hander. So for a Cryptic Sword, definitely go with Oath and make Kingslayer in an Oath-bugged Silver-Edged axe in the future.
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Oath if you have it ETH
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Have you considered a conquest sword? The damage is a wee bit higher (and a lot more consistent) than a cryptic sword. It doesn't look as cool, though.

    If you've got it, use an eth superior base sword. Your theoretical maximum is then 355% ED, which translates to an effective 532.5%ED. Granted, this is the maximum, but even the worst roll in a non-superior eth sword is the equivalent of 300% ED. Don't forget the 50% IAS either. :)

    Oh, and since everyone else is bragging:
    Oath
    Superior Conquest Sword
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 248 to 356
    Required Dexterity: 102
    Required Strength: 132
    Required Level: 58
    Sword Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 84
    Fingerprint: 0x17a353bb
    +10 to Energy
    +336% Enhanced Damage
    +15% Enhanced Damage
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +13 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)
     
  11. maxicek

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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Definately Oath. I don't like Beserker Axes either. Oath Eth Cryptic Sword will also get you to 5 FPA as a werewolf.

    Whilst we are at it, I prefer one of these. This is in a 1.07 Sup Eth BB:

    The_Kurgan's Superior Balrog Blade
    'ShaelPulMalLum'
    One-Hand Damage: 97 to 553
    Two-Hand Damage: 364 to 874
    Required Dexterity: 77
    Required Strength: 175
    Required Level: 53
    Sword Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Indestructible
    Item Version: Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x3dda255
    +10 to Energy
    +331% Enhanced Damage
    +2 to Attack Rating
    50% Increased Attack Speed
    Prevent Monster Heal
    75% Damage to Demons
    +100 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +12 Magic Absorb
    Indestructible
    30% Chance to cast Level 20 Bone Spirit on striking
    Level 17 Iron Golem (14/14 Charges)
    Level 16 Heart of Wolverine (20/20 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    I also have another in a 1.10 BB, and the 1.07 BB for yet another that I need to socket, when I get the runes.
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    That unsocketing indestructible trick only works for 1.07? It wont work in the latest patch, right?
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Works in 1.11b. Mine are done in that patch.



     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Neither.

    Run some countess and death ftw :laugh:
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Awesome! Thanks Neksja!
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Make sure, that when you remove Oath from the weapon, you do that with OTHER character that made the Oath first place. Has to be done with different chars.



     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Leeching on the thread, I am currently using Shael'd Death Cleaver and 1.07 BA Death in my frenzier. That 60% IAS is exactly what I need for 5 fpa with jooled Andy's and Highlord's Wrath. Ive been wondering if 1.07 BA Oath would make a big difference in damage output, as DC has 66% Critical Strike , turned into 100% from gear, effecively doubling it's rather mediocre damage.

    I would also make me get 10%IAS somewhere else, to keep the breakpoint.

    I am using Duress, dual RFrosts, String of Ears, Dracul's and Gore Rider.

    I am guessing the less setup disruptive source of IAS should be a Nosferatu's Coil, trading 15% DR for 10%IAS. Am I right?
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    Personally, I'm doubtful there'd be a lot of difference from a Oath vs Death vs DC.

    But yeah, if you make the switch, Nos' Coil for that bit of IAS seems the best fit.
     
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    Re: Oath or Kingslayer?

    I used both DC+death ettin and oath+death on one of my previous frenziers. DC+death seemed to kill faster even though it was slower. Not much difference though.
     

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