Norm upped HS with OHM is better than Eth upped HS with Zod! der=0

[NightBlade]

Norm upped HS with OHM is better than Eth upped HS with Zod!

Here's the proof:

Normal Conquest base damage: (37 - 53) avg dmg = 45
Ethereal Conquest base damage: (42.55 - 60.95) avg dmg = 51.75

Formula for final avg dmg = base avg dmg x enhanced dmg + base avg dmg

Ethereal dmg with ZOD = 51.75 x 1.5 + 51.75 = 129.375 avg dmg
Normal dmg with OHM = 45 x 2 + 45 = 135 avg dmg

Result: Ethereal conquest with ZOD < Norm conquest with OHM

Conclusion: Sucks to those who wasted a ZOD rune on an upped ethereal HS. :lol:

 

[BlackWinterDay]

Here's the proof:

Normal Conquest base damage: (37 - 53) avg dmg = 45
Ethereal Conquest base damage: (42.55 - 60.95) avg dmg = 51.75

Formula for final avg dmg = base avg dmg x enhanced dmg + base avg dmg

Ethereal dmg with ZOD = 51.75 x 1.5 + 51.75 = 129.375 avg dmg
Normal dmg with OHM = 45 x 2 + 45 = 135 avg dmg

Result: Ethereal conquest with ZOD < Norm conquest with OHM

Conclusion: Sucks to those who wasted a ZOD rune on an upped ethereal HS. :lol:

Good job. Unfortunately, either one is still pwned by a Hand of Justice Conquest Sword

 

[Stoutwood]

An interesting discovery. However, I must point out that an increase in average damage of 5.625 (11.25 with DS) is rather negligible in PvP and even in PvM. They also have roughly the same cost, since on my realm an Ohm costs more than a Zod. You have brought up a more interesting point though. A non-eth Upgraded Headstriker with a 40/15 IAS jewel in it would be only slightly lower damage than an Eth Zod'ed Up'ed Headstriker, however it would not have the same speed handicap that Headstrikers normally have. This does a great job of opening up build options. Good work man.

 

[FoodPoisoning]

Here's the proof:

Normal Conquest base damage: (37 - 53) avg dmg = 45
Ethereal Conquest base damage: (42.55 - 60.95) avg dmg = 51.75

I'm pretty sure something is wrong here...
Ethereal adds 50% weapon damage
37 times 1.5 = 55.5
53 times 1.5 = 79.5
avg damage = 67.5

I suppose if there was some bug when upgrading ethereal weapons maybe...

 

[Mule]

FoodPoisoning is correct, the 50% is added to weapon base damage, hence an Eth. conquest sword does the 67.5 avg. No idea how you came up with 51.75, care to explain that?

 

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

Normal Conquest Sword base damage: 37 to 53 (45 avg)
Ethereal Conquest Sword base damage: (37 * 1.5) to (53 * 1.5) = 55 to 79 (67 avg)

Normal Headstriker Conquest Sword: 37(+1) to 53(+1) * 2.5 = 95 to 135 (+1*clvl)
Normal Headstriker Conquest Sword (OHM): 37(+1) to 53(+1) * 3.0 = 114 to 164 (+1*clvl)
Ethereal Headstriker Conquest Sword (ZOD): [55(+1) to 79(+1)] * 2.5 = 140 to 200 (+1*clvl)

Ethereal Zodded upgraded Headstriker is clearly superior to normal Ohmed one.

 

[Soepgroente]

Without really calculating the final damage, it's logical that 1,5 times the base dmg * 2,5 (HS has 150% ed right?) is more than 0 times base dmg * 3.

An ethereal HS does 138,75-198,75 (excluding max dmg/lvl mod)
A normal one with ohm does 111-159 (you got the right avg here)

So nah, the difference is pretty big even

@liessa: no +1 in 1.1, though I don't know whether it rouns the ethereal dmg and then continues calculating, otherwise my ethereal damage is a little lower

 

[Stormshield]

^
Took the letters right off of my keyboard.

 

[Caerbannog]

Don't know why but he seems to have used 15% ED for ethereal, maybe he mixed it up with the maximum possible ED% a Superior gives?
Rok Rok :yep:

Edit: or she.

 

[BlackWinterDay]

Tested using the Diablo II Weapon Upgrade Damage Calculator found here:

http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~deykea/d2weapons.html


Upgraded Ethereal Headstriker: 137-198 (167.5 avg)
Upgraded OHM'd Headstriker: 111-160 (135.5 avg)

Numbers not including bonus to max damage.

To simulate the addition of an OHM, you just go to the ED box, change it manually to 200% and press TAB... That website is a great resources that everyone should have in their Favorites

 

[Gremlins]

Ya, I was worried about this for a sec, but then I realized that my eth upped HS does 137-~290 damage, so 129 avg. dmg doesn't make sense whatsoever. The best thing about an ethereal upped headstriker is that everyone asks about it too, and they freak over the huge amount of DS.

Gremlins

 

[LovelyGods]

After those good facts,

Which does more damage

Upped Head striker OHm
or Eth.ZOd Razor Edge

hmm.. interesting.

 

[BlackWinterDay]

After those good facts,

Which does more damage

Upped Head striker OHm
or Eth.ZOd Razor Edge

hmm.. interesting.

Low Ethereal Razor's Edge: 134-239
High Ethereal Razor's Edge: 159-282

 

[Garoke]

I'm getting so god damn sick and tired of all these people who dont know how etheral works. ITS THE BASE DMG FFS. It's not that hardto figure out unless you posses the mathematical skills of a doorknob.

 

[Fistdantilus-1]

Okay since we'er on the issue of HS ... How much ias with maxed Fanat. does it take a a zealot to reach 4ps if its attainable at all? And is it a viable dualing weapon I guess how would it compare to an eth edge in the pvp department

Thankyou

P. S. I just found an eth HS on ladder and was wondering about the above issues or weather I should continue to look for an eth edge

 

[UserMathias]

Okay since we'er on the issue of HS ... How much ias with maxed Fanat. does it take a a zealot to reach 4ps if its attainable at all? And is it a viable dualing weapon I guess how would it compare to an eth edge in the pvp department

Thankyou

P. S. I just found an eth HS on ladder and was wondering about the above issues or weather I should continue to look for an eth edge

http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

 

[Gremlins]

I use one on non-ladder (check my picture ), and, frankly, it's a GREAT weapon to use. It might be tough to get that 60ias needed for a 4fps zeal, but it's worth it if you can hit it. When compared with edge ... honestly, a LOT has to do with what setup you use. I think the edge has the advantage of being a lot more versatile due to all the other bonuses the weapon has (like the 40ias and 50% OW), but eth headstriker has STYLE :thumbsup: You wouldn't believe the number of people asking to see the sword, even when I'm just leveling up.

Damage wise - I'm hitting about 4k max (8k w/ DS) right now, with an inventory half full of decent charms. My sacrifice synergy is only at 12 right now, so I suspect 5.5k max damage should be fairly attainable at level 95 (when my synergy is maxed and I fill my inventory).

Better yet, I'd say get both, and get an ethereal DC while you're at it Ladder just started so you should have plenty of time to get all those weapons :clap:

Gremlins

 

[Fistdantilus-1]

Thankyou obth for your replies much appreciated

 

[memememe173]

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