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Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by b2p, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. b2p

    b2p Banned

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    new WORTHY UPGRADE thread

    example:

    ribcracker quarterstaff (exceptional to elite)
    only if ETH, ED > 250

    continue the list!
     
  2. sJw_shan

    sJw_shan IncGamers Member

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    add:

    ethereal high ed bonesnap
    300ed eth = 400+ - 600+ dmg

    ethereal titans
     
  3. CuteCathy

    CuteCathy IncGamers Member

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    Unique goldwarp (heavy belt) -> normal to exceptional
    3 rows -> 4 rows

    (People who use this belt mainly for the MF, and the extra row DOES help considerably)

    As for ethereal high ed bonesnap (to elite I assume) and ribcracker...
    Since they are breakable (without auto-repair mod), is it really worth for the temporary use?
     
  4. schlip

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    I'm guessing that's for PvP.

    bows: witchwild, Lycander's, Goldstrike.. of course high % where applicable.
     
  5. Ifrit18

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    Shaftstop
    Mesh armor to Boneweave

    It pratically doubles your defense :).

    2 other good ones are:

    Gore riders
    War boots to Myridon greaves

    Great for kicksins.


    Other one is...

    Guardian angel
    Templar coat to Hellforge plate

    Huge defense boost but 196 str. Better use a Hel rune :/.
     
  6. spiderman2k9

    spiderman2k9 Banned

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    can't forget the vipermagi serpentskin --> vipermagi wrymhide!!

    magefists --> battle gauntlets --> crusador gauntlets.. for those ppl who want the most possible defense!

    HoZ Gilded shield --> Zakarum shield (for those smiters!)
     
  7. b2p

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    isn't there some bug on the HOZ that actualy lowers defense?
     
  8. Fanaatikko-

    Fanaatikko- IncGamers Member

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    I think this has something to do with the ethereal bug. I'm not sure, but I think it's that ethereal armours lose the 50% bonus to defense when they are upgraded, but it is still ethereal. So one practically loses the benefits from ethereal but it still breaks when used :(
    This effects only armours, not weapons, atleast afaik.
     
  9. Pent

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    Hawkmail - +80-100% Enhanced Defense, Cannot Be Frozen, 15% To Max Cold Resist, 10% Faster Run/Walk
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    Darkglow - (cheap guardian angel with +10 resists) +70-100% Enhanced Defense, 5% To Max Poison Resist, 5% To Max Cold Resist, 5% To Max Lightning Resist, 5% To Max Fire Resist, All Resistances +10
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    Rockfleece - (Cheap Leviathan) +100-130% Enhanced Defense, Requirements -10%, Damage Reduced By 10%, +5 To Strength, Damage Reduced By 5
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    Goldskin - +120-150% Enhanced Defense, All Resistances +35
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    Steeldriver - +150-250% Enhanced Damage, 40% Increased Attack Speed, Requirements -50%
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    Rockstopper - +160-220% Enhanced Defense, Damage Reduced By 10%, 30% Faster Hit Recovery, Cold Resist +20-40%, Fire Resist +20-50%, Lightning Resist +20-40%, +15 To Vitality
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    Stealskull - +200-240% Enhanced Defense, 10% Increased Attack speed, 10% Faster Hit Recovery, 5% Life Stolen Per Hit, 5% Mana Stolen Per Hit, 30-50% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
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    Valkyrie Wing - (although I'm not so sure an amazon wants such high str req) +150-200% Defense, +1-2 To Amazon Skill Levels, 20% Faster Run/Walk, 20% Faster Hit Recovery, +2-4 To Mana After Each Kill
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    Blackhorn's Face - (if you use it often enough to yield an upgrade, str req is low) +180-220% Enhanced Defense, Slows Target By 20%, Prevent Monster Heal, +20 Lightning Absorb, Lightning Resist +15%
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    Crown of Thieves - (Best on defense merc) +160-200% Enhanced Defense, 9-12% Life Stolen Per Hit
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    Vampire Gaze - +100% Enhanced Defense, 6-8% Life Stolen Per Hit, 6-8% Mana Stolen Per Hit, Damage Reduced By 15-20%
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    Basically every exceptional armor is worth upgrading if you have the runes and use said armor alot and of course have the str.
    a few that really stand out for low req, are; que hagens, duriels shell, skin of vipermagi, spirit shroud.

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    the two exceptional unique throwing weapons are highly viable upgrades, especially if they are ethereal.
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    other upgrades that are worth it:
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    Coldsteel Eye
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    Ethereal Ginther's Rift - Repairs 1 Durability in 5 Seconds, +100-150% ED, Adds 50-120 Magic Damage, 30% Increased Attack Rate
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    Headstriker
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    The Atlantean
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    Crainte Vomir - Damage Reduced By 10%!, 200%ED, 50% ias!!!
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    Swordguard - 180% ED, Requirements -50%, +10-20 Resist all
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    Skystrike
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    Riphook
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    Endlesshail
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    Witchwild String
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    Pus Spitter (For Blowmancers)
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    Buriza-Do Kyanon
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    Spineripper - Whats not to love? even for non-daggermancers
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    Moser's Blessed Circle (more defense, is always good + higher chance to block)
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    Basically any unique exceptional shield is worth it, as long as you use it and have the str to meet the req. since it ups the block and the defense.
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    Gore Rider Boots - Kickassin's (need I say more?)
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    Ethereal The Meat Scraper - Upgraded for your merc, is pretty godly if you don't have a elite weapon yet for him, plus it has magic find.
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    Zakarum's Hand - 220% ED, 30% IAS
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    Ethereal Hone Sundan - 3 sockets, auto repair, 200% ed, plenty of crushing blow, woo.
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    Ribcracker - Ethereal or not, this is *the* weapon to upgrade if you have ANY ed of it. a Few players in non ladder would give their whole account for a ethereal perfect one in a heartbeat. if you have just chucked this or skipped over it, your loss!
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    Homunculus - more defense for a necro, always a good thing if you are minionless
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    Arreat's Face - more defense, if you have the str for the hefty requirement! (Required Strength: 174)
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    Jalal's Mane - Totally worth the upgrade, as druids need alot of defense! and the str requirement is puny!! (Required Strength: 86)
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    Herald Of Zakarum - upgrade non-ethereal ones, as there is a bug currently with ethereal (it lowers the defense by 50%!) although the str requirement is hefty to those only shooting for wearing guardian angel (118 str) and the upgrade HoZ is Required Strength: 142
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    well that about sums it up for my personal views on upgrades, anything else imo isnt worth it, although I didn't leave much out!
     
  10. ToXin

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    eth headstriker, eth hone sundan, eth spire of honor

    gaze! :uhhuh:
     
  11. Bootz24

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    I had a 297% Upgrade Ribcracker.

    It kicked ***, but the Pally was NOT viable in HELL. In order to survive melee, you NEED a shield and resists. The Rib kicked *** till Hell.

    BTW - This is HC, so one must choose allocation of points carefully.

    Sad... cause I thought my 95% Crushing Blow, Zealot Cracker would take it to the house... but instead, he got housed.

    -B
     
  12. b2p

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    i think that ribcracker upgraded is only viable for druids or barbs since they have masteries and ias attacks.
     
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    you mean thats eth titans will still get their dmg bonus when upgraded, but lets say... eth skulders will be the same as a normal skulders, given the same ED% once upgraded?
     
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    Enhanced defense is nothing if the difference between norm and elite defense/dmg is minimal.
    Take Titans
    18-54 throw, 18-35 attack
    upgraded
    35-65 throw, 30-54 attack
    Not really worth it.
     
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    sangfagel IncGamers Member

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    Multiply it by weapon´s ed, dex/str bouses + skill bonuses and you will see that it makes huge difference.
    Your dmg numbers are NOT titan´s but normal Ceremonial Javelin / Matriarchal Javelin.
     
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    actually, that's fairly worth it. A good example of what's NOT worth it is the Goldstrike Arch. i have an in-depth post in the zon forum (in thread "upgraded goldstrike or eaglehorn for pit runs?" or something like that), but basically.... NO min dmg upgrade at all, and a pitiful 18 max dmg upgrade. which means like 50 max dmg including ED... for the price of FORTY more strength. Not worth it!!!!!

    --fatty
     
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    I would partially agree with you. Upgrading gives ca 32% enhanced average dmg and it´s not worth 40 dex.
    It works different though if after upgrading you socket this bow with an Ohm or a 40% ed jwel. Furthermore upgrading absolutely makes sense if this bow is aimed to be merc weapon. I have actually a rouge as companion to my necro artilerist and I´m going to upgrade her Goldy as soon as I get a perfect emerald :lol:
     
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    darn i just threw away an eterheal 198ed hone sudan. :lol:

    what %ed is it worth it to upgrade for steelderiver or bonesnap? i have etheraels of both.
     
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    steeldriver = not worth it
     
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    why would you throw away a self-repairing ethereal?

    back on topic, I usually have a few rules of thumb for upgrades, depending on if you want to use them or trade them:

    1. upgrade unique weapons that do significant ED%, have scalable mods (deadly strike, crushing blow) and do not lose speed in the upgrade. As a rule of thumb I like to compare the upgraded unique to other elite uniques, then ask myself if I would give a PUL rune for the upgrade. Upgraded Steeldriver << Cranium Basher. Upgraded 290-300% Bonesnap >> Windhammer. Ethereal merc weapons usually worth upgrading, as are a lot of the exceptional swords.

    2. upgrade unique armor, helms, gloves ONLY if it is your endgame equipment and you need the extra defense more that you need the life you would gain by putting points into vitality rather than strength. Most caster armors worth upgrading for personal use.

    3. upgrade belts ONLY if they do not have 4 rows already. There is ZERO point in upgrading a Goldwrap to elite, since it gets 4 rows as exceptional. Save your runes.

    4. upgrade boots as in 2 above unless you are a assassin, then weigh in the increased kick damage as an additional bonus.

    5. upgrade shields as in 2 above, but keep an eye out for increased blocking that comes from the upgrade, an added bonus.

    6. upgrading rares weapons is almost always worthwhile. there are some sick finds out there. some of mine (all these were originally normal quality) are: 324%ED 40%IAS +1 barb skills silver-edged axe, ethereal 280%ED 30%IAS +100PD pike (for my merc), and my baby 431% ED 20%IAS ethereal legendary mallet.

    7. I have never seen a rare armor worth upgrading, but that may be me.

    my two cents, yomo
     

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