New to MFing

Korlic

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Nagisa: I must say I disagree on that. Running Meph will give you very valuable items such as Shako, Occu, Wartravelers, Arachnid, Skulders, Tal Amu, Maras, Nagels or even SoJs. For merc gear it is also by far the best place to find Andys visage, Reapers, Gaze etc.

Sure you can get these items except for Arachnid at Pindle, but it will take longer. Maybe even much longer. Oh and Meph drops runes as well, found a Jah there myself :)
 

Darkthrone

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I agree with Korlic. Mephisto is a treasure trove. He's also a lot more convenient than places like The Pit or Ancient Tunnels. To me the idea is Mephisto will net you the items you need in order to run those places very efficiently (or until you spend some time in Lower Kurast).
 

Gripphon

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Fastest possible way to farm up gear is this: Go straight to LK with sorc and simply farm Enigma there. Collect and cube Pgems as you run. You will cube few hundreds of them in time you farm Enigma and hopefully both CtA and Grief. Then go on trade forum and ask for those cheap items like Shako, Arachnid and such and offer some of your pgems for them. I will gladly give you everything you need relatively cheap.

So, you won't have to touch Mephisto more than once, you will run only LK, you will trade for some bases and important unique items with those Pgems you cubed, and you are ready to hit Pit with decent zerker immediately once you level him up on Pindle as ww barb. Or, if you want to be self found, it will take you a bit longer.
 

japanzaman

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I think your MF strategy will vary greatly depending on the environment you are playing. If you are going self found, I would suggest starting with Mephisto. If you are going to trade, running LK for CTA, Enigma, Hoto or whatever and collecting Pgems is a great strategy. I would even suggest rerolling grand charms for skillers, as you may hit paydirt with a vita skiller and that alone could net you most of the items you are searching for. LK is also a great place to pick up small charms and jewels, which can also be of tremendous value.
 

NagisaFurukawa

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Shako, Occu, Wartravelers, Arachnid, Skulders, Tal Amu, Maras, Nagels or even SoJs. For merc gear it is also by far the best place to find Andys visage, Reapers, Gaze etc.
None of those items are significantly more useful from an MF perspective than simply stuffing topazes into random armor and having magic/rare gloves/etc. with MF. I really don't see any reason to run Meph except if you want a quick fix way to gear a large number of Hell viable characters. Aside from that, you might as well just hop into LK/AT and run for actual high end items rather than waste your time running Meph for items that will give you maybe 10% more MF/life/damage at best.

Also, you can get these running Pit for a week! /lolcircumstantialevidence
 

Thorax

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Wow that's alot of high end rune's there...Thanks for the info guys been a great help...So I decided to start over and go with a Fishy Necro as my first Character cause well it doesnt rely on gear. That way I can build some wealth before starting characters I will struggle with.
 

NoisemakerArrow

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"you may hit paydirt with a vita skiller and that alone could net you most of the items you are searching for"

That's excellent news. Anyone got a WF for trade? I offer 27 and 13 life Curse GCs.
 

Gripphon

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None of those items are significantly more useful from an MF perspective than simply stuffing topazes into random armor and having magic/rare gloves/etc. with MF. I really don't see any reason to run Meph except if you want a quick fix way to gear a large number of Hell viable characters. Aside from that, you might as well just hop into LK/AT and run for actual high end items rather than waste your time running Meph for items that will give you maybe 10% more MF/life/damage at best.
First of all, I apologize to you for big post, I know you love them. But if you care enough to read all, let's continue.
Since I don't quite understand everything you said, let me ask you something. You say Shako and co. wont make more than 10% improvement in MF/life/damage compared to crap loltopaz gear. Is there any "high-end" item that will make more than 10% improvement in MF/life/damage compared to gear you can fast-farm on Meph?

There are basically 3 items I personally consider worth farming in Pit or AT. Those are:

Death's Fathom - you proved that cheap AT sorc is "equally" efficient as mega-geared sorc, so I guess Fathom is not much of an improvement, except it looks useful in theory. I believe same would be proved running Pindle. Perhaps Oculus is even better choice for Pindle than Fathom, dunno.

Death's Web - fancy item indeed, but I'm not completely sure how much improvement it gets you on Pit novamancer. Probably 10-15% at most. I could fire up hoto novamancer just for lol to see how "bad" will I perform.

Griffon's Eye - nice item, but since it is usually paired with Infinity, I don't think it gives you any considerable improvement over... random circlet with facet. Or random circlet with ias jewel, whatever it's needed.

Other "high-end" items are crap. Mostly. Some of them might be useful, but very situational. The rest are only grail material, literally.

So, my questions are: since I don't think any of mentioned items will make much of an improvement over lolmephgear, do you agree with that? Also, is there any other "high-end" item I consider crap, and you consider it is worth farming in AT/Pit?

In the end, I'll answer you why is Meph >>> Pit and AT for poor player. You will get that 10% improvement from Meph very fast, then you will hit AT/Pit like a boss to farm another 10% improvement in 3 mentioned items over long long time. With farming Meph, you will delay farming "high-end" items just a very very little. Or if you go straight to AT/Pit, you will have harder time running cause you run with loltopaz gear, and it will take you much longer to get 10% improvement on that gear, and then another 10% improvement in 3 mentioned items over long long time. Or you could be lucky to get Fathom to get that 20% improvement in gear right away or something.

Also, perhaps it is 10% more MF/life/damage improvement when you farm Meph-gear, but that gear will make much much more difference and impact on running than farming any of the 3 "godly" items I mentioned. They won't do a thing for survivability or comfort of running, they will simply boost your damage a little. Also, you are very experienced d2 player and I do believe you can run AT or other target with topaz gear, but most of players I believe will really feel the difference between topaz gear and lolmephgear.
 
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Darkthrone

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Shako with a perfect topaz (or Ist if you're so inclined) may only net you a few % more magic find than a 3-socketed helm, but the additional benefits you get from all the other mods are invaluable, and allow you more freedom with the rest of your equipment. I think most people who are serious about magic finding would agree it's not necessarily about how much magic find you have, but how efficiently you can run, and a Shako is a lot more efficient than a 3-socketed helm.

Also I would take a Skullder's Ire (socketed or not) over a 4 topaz armour 10 times out of 10.
 

NagisaFurukawa

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High end item in this case obviously refers to anything you get more efficiently from AT or LK than Meph, which includes runewords you mentioned in two of those arguments as well as obviously huge gamebreakers like CTA or Enigma. Come on now.
 

zaphodbrx

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Agree with gripphon. A couple hundred meph runs really helps out a starting player. It's a lot easier with a sorc than other characters though.

Most of the difficult to find items are rubbish anyhow. I never really got into magic finding in Diablo 2 because most of the really good stuff ( with a few exceptions ) are not affected by magic find anyway. Unless one wants a grail, in which case its near impossible.
That said, there are quite a few things Hell Meph can't drop, such as Tal's armor. Pindle is a good target for those, but then, pindle is boring..
 
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