need some help with my ww barb in pvp

mainaman

mainaman

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CaptnSparrow said:
I don't see an arrow doing much of anything. In the unlikely event it even hits, the paladin won't be charging (since an arrow can't hit a charging paladin), so he'll have max block out. That considered, I don't see it being a difference maker.

Maybe I've never seen a BvC use Widow well. But it seems like it's only useful when the paladin isn't close (for the fear of being charged), which shouldn't be very often at all. And as long as the paladin is at mid range and stays near hammers... I don't know how he can be hit.

Got a vid I can see or somethin? ><
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you have very distorted vission about bvh duels



 
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CaptnSparrow

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It seems so.


I just see no reason for a hdin to play defensively. There's no telestomping, to be sure, but to go far enough away for a Widow? ;\ I mean what's stopping a paladin from desynching in tight circles or drive by hammering? Leap? Lol. ;x

EDIT:

Okay, I saw this duel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQ1BvTUJSs To me, this paladin played oddly. He desynched straight into the BvC often, which got him Whirled. Other times he charged straight into a line of Guided Arrows he should have known would be there. And even when he played defensively he often stayed on Smash's mini map so he could accurately fire Guided Arrow. I thought he distanced himself too much. Just what is he afraid of? Whirlwind is a strictly decent attack against high dr and max block, both of which a good hdin has.

Then I saw this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHUlwG4YJxE I thought this guy played a lot better. When he backed off and the BvC pulled out Widow, he got entirely off the screen. Also, during the transition from onscreen to offscreen, he made a far more rapid approach to try and catch the BvC unprepared. When on screen he was more aggressive and (of what I saw) only gave the BvC one chance to get a big string of Widows while he was on screen. He didn't win, but I thought he played much more appropriately.


If what I read was right, Smash is one of the better BvCs, and from what I saw his whirls were very good against the desynch he faced. I don't know if those are widely known hammerdins or not, but I'll acknowledge that Widow is a solid weapon to use. I still think that this duel is a good deal in the Hdin's favor, but I'll concede that it's possible to win.

EDIT2:

I'm not trying to be stubborn or anything. This is honestly something I don't quite understand and am trying to learn about. Just so neither of you take it the wrong way.
 
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akumaxxyz

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the best hdins imo are the ones who abuse prayer, stick in your face hdin. they got massive life regen good damage mb 50% dr good defense, always ready to tele stomp if you even dare to pull out the bow. 3-4 hammers your gone on a barb but it takes forever to kill it with just the bow.
 
mainaman

mainaman

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CaptnSparrow said:
It seems so.


I just see no reason for a hdin to play defensively. There's no telestomping, to be sure, but to go far enough away for a Widow? ;\ I mean what's stopping a paladin from desynching in tight circles or drive by hammering? Leap? Lol. ;x

EDIT:

Okay, I saw this duel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQ1BvTUJSs To me, this paladin played oddly. He desynched straight into the BvC often, which got him Whirled. Other times he charged straight into a line of Guided Arrows he should have known would be there. And even when he played defensively he often stayed on Smash's mini map so he could accurately fire Guided Arrow. I thought he distanced himself too much. Just what is he afraid of? Whirlwind is a strictly decent attack against high dr and max block, both of which a good hdin has.

Then I saw this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHUlwG4YJxE I thought this guy played a lot better. When he backed off and the BvC pulled out Widow, he got entirely off the screen. Also, during the transition from onscreen to offscreen, he made a far more rapid approach to try and catch the BvC unprepared. When on screen he was more aggressive and (of what I saw) only gave the BvC one chance to get a big string of Widows while he was on screen. He didn't win, but I thought he played much more appropriately.


If what I read was right, Smash is one of the better BvCs, and from what I saw his whirls were very good against the desynch he faced. I don't know if those are widely known hammerdins or not, but I'll acknowledge that Widow is a solid weapon to use. I still think that this duel is a good deal in the Hdin's favor, but I'll concede that it's possible to win.

EDIT2:

I'm not trying to be stubborn or anything. This is honestly something I don't quite understand and am trying to learn about. Just so neither of you take it the wrong way.
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see my friend at first had same objections against
widow as you do now. after we dueled some he agreed widow is actually a must. here is a vid of him dueling me :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jUBdgiF5Hc



 
MysticDragon

MysticDragon

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Without Widowmaker, the Hammerdin doesn't need to go to the BvC. Widowmaker doesn't do much damage, but it forces the Hammerdin to play offensively.
 
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