need some help with my ww barb in pvp

Numen

Diabloii.Net Member
need some help with my ww barb in pvp

well im having trouble killing smiters, windy druids, and hammerdins..

i have the folllowing gear

arreats
fort/nigma
dracs (should i get steelrends??)
griefz
beastz
stormshield
dungos
gores
angelics

any tips?? because i die horribly to windy druids and escpecially hammerdins and smiters... (gear changes or something??)
 
Gear looks fine. If a smiter trys to chase/tele smite you then ww away and in circles. On hdins don't think you can whirl through them and live, wait for them to try and telestomp you or run by and whirl away. On wind druids just keep your whirls tight. Don't forget to use leap to put the hdins and windys into fhr.
 

Numen

Diabloii.Net Member
hmm wel that is another question i have like 15 or so points left over because i havent decided what to max next.. i have done shout, bo, ww, and axe mastery, what do u suggest i put points into next?? leap attack, leap etc?? iron skin??
 

DaRKNeSsS

Diabloii.Net Member
well im having trouble killing smiters, windy druids, and hammerdins..

i have the folllowing gear

arreats
fort/nigma
dracs (should i get steelrends??)
griefz
beastz
stormshield
dungos
gores
angelics

any tips?? because i die horribly to windy druids and escpecially hammerdins and smiters... (gear changes or something??)
Perhaps you should replace your griefz with a botdz you should be doing more damage with the botdz and it's better for PvP uses, and as for the points 1 into natural resistances, 1 into iron skin,
and it would help for some extra defence I'd say put the rest of the 13 into iron skin but don't do it til other people agree with me because I dont want you screwing up on your build.


 

Uncle_Mike

D2 PvP Moderator
Perhaps you should replace your griefz with a botdz you should be doing more damage with the botdz and it's better for PvP uses, and as for the points 1 into natural resistances, 1 into iron skin,
and it would help for some extra defence I'd say put the rest of the 13 into iron skin but don't do it til other people agree with me because I dont want you screwing up on your build.
1. grief>botd, botd could be considered ok vs windies since you would leech plenty of life off wolves
2. grief has better average damage than ebotz
3. leap>shout, smite ignores def anyway



 

DaRKNeSsS

Diabloii.Net Member
1. grief>botd, botd could be considered ok vs windies since you would leech plenty of life off wolves
2. grief has better average damage than ebotz
3. leap>shout, smite ignores def anyway
Yes, but doesn't botdz have higher damage than griefz? he said in an earlier thread his barb did 1k damage, my barb however with an botdz did 3.6k dmg, so I assumed that botdz would work better.


 

Uncle_Mike

D2 PvP Moderator
Yes, but doesn't botdz have higher damage than griefz? he said in an earlier thread his barb did 1k damage, my barb however with an botdz did 3.6k dmg, so I assumed that botdz would work better.
Do not believe the character screeen - grief has a much better average damage :smiley:



 

Ilikestarcraft

Diabloii.Net Member
Grief adds i think like +340-400 base damage that doesnt show on char screen and gets multiplied by str, masteries, etc? Grief is the best melle weap because of this.Botd is okay cause the +30 for stats. Against smiter, windies, and hdins you should dual wield. I think a griefz as primary and beastz as secondary can do like 11k. Against smiters and windies you should have about 50% pdr with Coa and verdungos. Reason you dont need the sheild is cause their attacks are unblockable. Against desynch paly doomz on weap switch holy freeze flashes are good. Some barbs use widowmaker to make a defensive hdin play offensive.
 

Numen

Diabloii.Net Member
quick question what is desynch and how do u do it???

also for my smiter, for some damn reason after a while i just cant charge anymore.. like it wont let me use charge.. is that a bug or something?
 

mainaman

Diabloii.Net Member
Gear looks fine. If a smiter trys to chase/tele smite you then ww away and in circles. On hdins don't think you can whirl through them and live, wait for them to try and telestomp you or run by and whirl away. On wind druids just keep your whirls tight. Don't forget to use leap to put the hdins and windys into fhr.
gear is not fine there is no coa listed?
it pretty much boils down to practice practicepractice, especially smiters if not 100% bm (clegs,exile,hf) you should be able to do very well against, max block droods are tough if played well, hammerdins only really good ones will be an issue. just go to the stickied vids thread ( http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=543344)and see how barbs duel.



 

tSDt

Diabloii.Net Member
Desync is when you move so fast that the server has to take time to catch up with you. Usually when you desync you don't know you are, but other players will. To other people, when you desync, you will be in one place on the map, then in a couple seconds it will show you in another place.

Usually when you charge for a short period you will desync so its really very easy.

When you can't charge anymore, this is called CL (correct me if I'm wrong), this is just like when you can't leap anymore. To remove this you have to rejoin the game you are in unfortunetly.

On your barb smiters ( or atleast the okay ones ) you should be doing well against.
When they charge at you WW away.
When they Shift + Smite, clip them (WW on the very edge of you range)
If at anytime they follow you just WW away.
That's basically what most smiters will do.

Also what Lvl is your barb and how much life?
 

Numen

Diabloii.Net Member
i think like 5k life, but im getting a lot of charms so that should go up to near 7k hopefully.. and he is lvl 82 because i think im going to re make

also my barb dies, against all types of sorcs, even light sorcs when i switch to tgods i still die.. in fact i think the only char i can beat is a java zon.. i also die vs necromancers, escpecially hammerdins, i can beat other barbs, sometimes smiters but i rarely hit them... really over all i suck lol..

perhaps if anyone is on uswest ladder you could join a game with me and give me in game tips or something..
 

mainaman

Diabloii.Net Member
i think like 5k life, but im getting a lot of charms so that should go up to near 7k hopefully.. and he is lvl 82 because i think im going to re make

also my barb dies, against all types of sorcs, even light sorcs when i switch to tgods i still die.. in fact i think the only char i can beat is a java zon.. i also die vs necromancers, escpecially hammerdins, i can beat other barbs, sometimes smiters but i rarely hit them... really over all i suck lol..

perhaps if anyone is on uswest ladder you could join a game with me and give me in game tips or something..
you need to be lvl 90+ to be effective vs almost anything.
what is your ar with revens+highlords?
again refer to my previos post where i posted a link to the thread with bvc dueling videos , you will learn a thing or two on how to use your barb from them



 

CaptnSparrow

Diabloii.Net Member
A good hammerdin will not lose to a BvC. Some barbs use Widow because they think it does anything (which it doesn't...), but they only hurt themselves because they lower their health and open themselves to getting charged. So don't get too broken up if you can't win this match. To beat the not so good ones, use Leap to push them out of hammer fields and desynch charge, and teleport on them. Immediately whirlwind downwards and hopefully you get a hit. By going down you can't be hit by hammers that the paladin casts after you get on his screen. If the paladin is completely stationary (in other words, if he sits in a field and doesn't move), you can teleport under him (don't namelock) and Berserk. But like I said, against a good Hdin you won't win.

You should not lose to Wind Druids at all... if you are I'd say you're not using Leap effectively. You need to Leap the summons off the Druid and then tele on him and triwhirl. This will come with practice, it's one of the staple BvC moves.

As for sorcs, you just gotta get strong locks. Also make sure your resists aren't awful. If you really have trouble, equip two Wizardspikes with Um runes in them and slowly chip away. This will make you much more durable against their skills, allowing you more mistakes. So take advantage of that and practice. Eventually take off the spikes and get your axes back on and continue practice.

If you're facing a max block Necromancer, then you're in for a very hard duel. Not as durable as the hammerdin, thus making them easier to take down. However, their attacks are much more overwhelming. What it comes down to is namelock Berserk hits. Hopefully you put one point in Berserk and have it on your left click. Get a namelock, center your cursor on the Necro, teleport in and start Zerking. If they block you or if bone spirits start homing in, get out of there and wait for another opportunity. Once a Necro puts you in hit recovery, they can pounce and end you in seconds. Be careful with this guy.
 

akumaxxyz

Diabloii.Net Member
A good hammerdin will not lose to a BvC. Some barbs use Widow because they think it does anything (which it doesn't...), but they only hurt themselves because they lower their health and open themselves to getting charged. So don't get too broken up if you can't win this match. To beat the not so good ones, use Leap to push them out of hammer fields and desynch charge, and teleport on them. Immediately whirlwind downwards and hopefully you get a hit. By going down you can't be hit by hammers that the paladin casts after you get on his screen. If the paladin is completely stationary (in other words, if he sits in a field and doesn't move), you can teleport under him (don't namelock) and Berserk. But like I said, against a good Hdin you won't win.

You should not lose to Wind Druids at all... if you are I'd say you're not using Leap effectively. You need to Leap the summons off the Druid and then tele on him and triwhirl. This will come with practice, it's one of the staple BvC moves.

As for sorcs, you just gotta get strong locks. Also make sure your resists aren't awful. If you really have trouble, equip two Wizardspikes with Um runes in them and slowly chip away. This will make you much more durable against their skills, allowing you more mistakes. So take advantage of that and practice. Eventually take off the spikes and get your axes back on and continue practice.

If you're facing a max block Necromancer, then you're in for a very hard duel. Not as durable as the hammerdin, thus making them easier to take down. However, their attacks are much more overwhelming. What it comes down to is namelock Berserk hits. Hopefully you put one point in Berserk and have it on your left click. Get a namelock, center your cursor on the Necro, teleport in and start Zerking. If they block you or if bone spirits start homing in, get out of there and wait for another opportunity. Once a Necro puts you in hit recovery, they can pounce and end you in seconds. Be careful with this guy.
duel anyone of those good bvcs uses fort and widow, you will just get peck to death by arrows, only way to kill a barb is invinsible hammers or a lucky name lock when hes unexpected



 

CaptnSparrow

Diabloii.Net Member
I don't see an arrow doing much of anything. In the unlikely event it even hits, the paladin won't be charging (since an arrow can't hit a charging paladin), so he'll have max block out. That considered, I don't see it being a difference maker.

Maybe I've never seen a BvC use Widow well. But it seems like it's only useful when the paladin isn't close (for the fear of being charged), which shouldn't be very often at all. And as long as the paladin is at mid range and stays near hammers... I don't know how he can be hit.

Got a vid I can see or somethin? ><
 

akumaxxyz

Diabloii.Net Member
search around lol.. theres tons of bvc vs hammer videos, although i admit its kind of lame to duel that way but it is very effective if you know how to read dsync movements and ww, the arrows dmg is not to be taken lightly as it have like 70+ deadly strike with highlrods and goriders
 

CaptnSparrow

Diabloii.Net Member
search around lol.. theres tons of bvc vs hammer videos, although i admit its kind of lame to duel that way but it is very effective if you know how to read dsync movements and ww, the arrows dmg is not to be taken lightly as it have like 70+ deadly strike with highlrods and goriders
But I don't wannaaaaaaaaa *pout*



 
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