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need some help for my essay, Greenhouse Effect.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ~Kazama Fury~, Mar 29, 2004.

  1. ~Kazama Fury~

    ~Kazama Fury~ IncGamers Member

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    need some help for my essay, Greenhouse Effect.

    hello, i have to write an essay about the greenhouse effect, i was wondering what you guys would have to say, or have links to sites (currently going through google myself), comments.

    heres the criteria for the essay:
    i must talk about the scientific and social factors involved
    then find solutions to the problem, a survey of what has been proposed
    then at the end, my own position in the debate.

    thanks in advance. :)
     
  2. Ev_

    Ev_ IncGamers Member

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    Global warming is BS. Everyone's freaking out because temps have gone up 1 degree over the last century. What they fail to realize is that the Earth has gone through much more drastic temperature changes before, during human civilization, and everything is ok. And temperatures go up not even due to human influence. During the middle ages, there was one of the biggest spikes in temperature in the last few millenia, but the Earth cooled itself right afterwards. I really don't think we can do as much to affect it as we think we can.

    As for the ice caps melting, people seem to forget that large parts of them are underwater. If the ice underwater melts, that will actually LOWER sea level. Then the above surface ice will fill in the gap that left and then some. But it's not going to be as huge of a rise as they think. And the biggest point people seem to forget: IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT!!! We're not gonna wake up one day to find a mile of coast gone.

    My take: stop overreacting, it's not as big of a problem as we all fear.
     
  3. Akira

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    i certainly find it coincidental that temperature is rising as we burn alot of fossil fuels. And could you provide some info on that middle-ages temperature spike? All the graphs i've seen show a relatively consistent (and cooler) world temperature for the last 2000 years, and a rather nice spike forming around the industrial revolution.
     
  4. Ev_

    Ev_ IncGamers Member

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    Here you go. It's from a Climate Change class I took last semester. Do I think the Earth is warming? Absolutely. But I don't think it's as much to freak out about as people are.
     
  5. asdf

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    it's a given that global climate does change drastically every couple of millennia, and we've only been burning fossil fuels (heavily) for less than 2 centuries... but the fact remains that the products of the burning do trap heat better than regular air.
     
  6. Ash Housewares

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    so this is how I have to find out?

    you went outside the druid forum for help...

    you went over my helmet!!

    *pits kaz*
     
  7. ~Kazama Fury~

    ~Kazama Fury~ IncGamers Member

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    hello :cheesy:

    ive actually asked help in the druid forum, only memememe helped a little, i eventually went through an hour of internet reading, etc. took another 2-3 hours to finish typing a 1500 word essay on it. finished at 3am. i wake up now at 7am. i am dying.

    kaz goes to a new level in the pit, beyond strid's :eek: fun
     
  8. dantose

    dantose IncGamers Member

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    *cough* south pole
    at no point will the sea level drop due to ice melting. I it's confined to the north pole (the one that is just sitting in the water)it won't rise much at all, that is true.
     
  9. Ev_

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    I'm just talking about the underwater ice melting. I know if all the ice melts the sea level will rise.
     
  10. dantose

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    yes, that's why the only real concern is if the antarctic starts melting. most of it is sittin on ground so it actually will cause significant change in sea levels.
     
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    First, your graph has no scale, i have no idea how big that spike really is. But, assuming it is of a similar scale as this graph it is quite odd indeed.

    Here is a picture of the graph from one of my environmental science lectures, which shows some very different temperatures for the time period. i hosted it on angelfire so you'll have to do the http://www. part, as they hate external linking.

    angelfire.com/blog/otf/Graph.jpg

    If you want the entire .pdf document for that lecture lemme know.
     
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    Yes, please. Something about that graph looks a little hinky and I'd like to look at it in a bit more detail. Thanks much.
     
  13. Akira

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    i've never hosted a .pdf before so i have no idea if this will work. The thing is 3mb total so it'll probably eat up my bandwidth rather quickly. If the link doesn't work just pm me and maybe i can get it to you over some sort of IM program.

    angelfire.com/blog/otf/Jan4-Notes.pdf
     
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    http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm

    apparently aobut 30 years ago we thought the world was cooling off, so it's kinda hard for me to buy into this whole global warming thing.

    i do wonder how we keep setting world records all teh time...maybe the weather is getting more volitile.
     
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    Look at the politics of global warming.

    In the 70's it was all about the impending ice age. That didn't work to scare the people so global warming was thought up. You'll notice that other than Al Bore's rant in New York, you only hear about global warming in the SUMMER!

    The envirowackos have been going on about global warming and how the evil use of oil is causing it. Look at their real agenda. They are socialists. Socialists hate capitalism. So who do they attack? Big business. Big oil, big cars, logging, etc. They are using global warming as their scapegoat in their attempt to destroy big business and ultimately make us to back to living in mud huts and eating nuts and twigs.

    One the science side, look at the sun. The sunspot cycle is 14 years long. The past couple of years have been at the peak of the cycle where the sun is at it's hottest. Also look at volcanic activity. In 1991 when the volcano in the Phillipines exploded, for a while the dust lowered the global temperature to what it was in the 1800's. As the dust settled, the world's temperature went back to it's usual place. It looked like a sudden spike but was just a return to what it had been.

    Back to politics, what is the benefit of saying it's the industrial nation's fault. I.e. the US? Third world nations were excempt from Kyoto. China and India as well. If you do some research on the brown cloud that hangs over India you'll see it's from their burning of dung for cooking and heating. The same goes for large parts of China. Yet they were immune to Kyoto. Why? China is communist and a friend to socialism everywhere. Plus both are cheap sources of labor. Increased emmision controls would raise the cost of doing business over there. So they were immune.

    So it all essentially comes down to FOLLOW THE MONEY. But before you write anything about this, you need to know if your teacher is a envirowacko first. You may write a perfect paper, but if it attacks the politics of you teacher, you will most likely recieve an "F" on the paper and fail the class as well.
     
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    I'm confused, the socialist wackos are against big business but want china immune to regulation so big business has cheap labor? :scratch: please tell me this isn't what you are saying.
     
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    Smeg, this must be what you were talking about when you mentioned "fighting absurdity with absurdity". No way did you type all that out with a straight face. :-D
     
  19. Ev_

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    LoL, yah...my prof wasn't the brightest guy in the world. That's a 1 degree Celsius scale on the vertical.
     
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    I don't know if you have to cite sources and journal articles. Most college level science classes, at least the ones I took, doesnt allow you to cite online sources because

    1. The data often has not been peer reviewed.
    2. The writers can write anything they like, even if they are not qualified to offer scientific information.

    The best idea I can think of is to look at the information on some reputable online site, like those run by the EPA or some other environmental organization. Then once you figure out the basics of what you want to include in your paper, go to the library and do some hard research. Journals like Nature, Science, Biodiversity, Scientific American, Oceanographia, Ecology, Issue in Ecology are some reputable journals that you can do your research on.
     

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