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Need PvM CrowdControl Singer Guide

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by Sim.The.GoSu, Mar 22, 2004.

  1. Sim.The.GoSu

    Sim.The.GoSu IncGamers Member

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    Need PvM CrowdControl Singer Guide

    Help with pvm cc singer. I know I need to max the following

    War Cry
    Battle Cry
    Taunt
    Battle Orders
    Then i think 15 howl
    10 shout
    i bat comm, 1 increse stamina, 1 increase speed, 1 iron skin, 1 nat res.

    Gear would be

    HoTo(say its 35%)
    Wizzy
    Enigma
    Shako
    Maras(24%)
    2 sojs
    Arach mesh
    Trang gloves
    WaterWalks
    Anni

    thats +13(+14 with bc)
    And i would have 200+ res

    He would do 1.2k dmg and with 130% fcr, i think hed kill fast, almost like those old nova sorcies.
     
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    3 problems:
    range on war cry is about half the size of old nova.

    war cry damage is phys. you can imagine what's going to happen there.

    synergies only help damagewise. battle cry's effect doesn't matter, you don't want them running away from you with howl, and it seems a lot faster to run up/tp to them than to bring them to you with taunt. i think some of them overwrite each other as well.

    the traditional singer was a support unit. max shout, battle orders, maybe battle cry. some in war cry for stun, maybe a point or two in grim ward to make a little oasis for yourself.

    the only ways you are going to make a solo pure singer work:
    2-4 trang's items for the fire spells to support the phys damage on war cry.

    go for the max damage on war cry through slvls:
    3/3 warcries/war cry barb helm
    enigma is good
    arachnid is good
    3 warcries ammy
    2X bk or soj
    2X hoto

    which will give you +20 for the max 40 possible. it leaves you some play room for 10 warcries gc's, anni, etc. even then though i don't think you'll get far in nm with pure phys.
     
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    I just tested one out with regular caster build..it's not a great killer, but the CC is awesome.
    Leap, knocks them back, Howl, makes them run, war cry, stuns them. If you're careful nothing will touch you.
     
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    How would wolfhowl work with this build? warcrys work even in werewolf form right? so an extra 100% life would be quite nice. and the extra ar, ias and feral rage should make up for some leach if needed.

    This really seems like a nice challenge :)

    How does fcr work with barbs/druids? what are the breakpoints?

    gonna read the singer guide now.

    C-Beat
     
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    No, you can't use Warcries as a Wolf. Barbs FCR is the same as a Sorc, and the ideal would be 105%
     
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    crap...that would be real cool :D

    I'm gonna try out a singer. I've been looking for a fun pvm build and this sounds very interesting!

    Though i cant decide on what weapons to use or if i should go with a sheild. the shield would help with defence and some pdr while another weapon could give mana, life, fcr and +skills. wizzy+suicide branch would perhaps be a good idea. what do you think?
     
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    btw, what do i do with PIs? :scratch:

    would i point in double swing+1 point in mace mastery and 2 baranars star take care of everything. 186% ar from skills and 200% ar from baranars. my dex wont be very high but perhaps it's enough to hit some in hell.

    C-Beat
     
  9. Djinni

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    PI's are not so troublesome if they are normal monsters, just ignore them because they're just as stunable as everything else. Quest monsters who spawn as PI are a royal pain however. Either equip your merc with some heavy elemental damage or as I was forced to do on my hellforge quest, mule a lightsaber or something similar into the game and pick away at them slowly with a normal attack, i wanted to use baranars but too high str req prevented that & i went the blocking route so my dex was high enough for a lightsaber

    It's also nice to be able to ignore the fact you're being swarmed by fanat or might enchanted packs, but fear the mana burn :)
     
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    I think for SC no shield is the way to go, but for HC, like Djinni, I can certainly see using a shield. Moser's is a good one. Lidless' block is too low to be useful.

    Wiz + Branch gives up mana, resists and mana regeneration, causing changes to other gear, that could be less expendable. I don't see much of a benifit with the Branch compared to what I have to give up.
     

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