Need lots of help for my pvp orb'er.

[pryzmatik2]

Need lots of help for my pvp orb'er.

Okay, I have a blizzard sorc, but it just isnt working out, i cant aim well with blizzard and dueling anyone that will tele is just impossible. See'ing as i dont want to just make this character's items useless, i have decided to make an orb sorc...

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First off i need help with my gear.
This is what i have in store for now

Helm - Nightwing's Veil (Looking for someone with a nice one, above 20%)

Orb - Death's Fathom (32%)

Armor - I cannot decide between a facet ice bolt ormus or vipermagi or COH.
Oh yea, and if i went vipermagi (35 resis btw), cant decide to facet or um.

Shield - Troll's Nest Sanctuary (70 Resis - i was happy when i made this)

Gloves - I prefer magefist for the 20% FCR so i can reach that last breakpoint... i dont like having to use FCR rings.

Belt - Arachnid Mesh... self explanitory

Boots - I cannot decide between sandstorm treks, or these that i found one day:
Rare Greaves
10% Faster run
Cold Resist - 36
Lightning Resist - 16
Poison Resist - 31
and theyre eth with repair durability mod... but that doesnt matter cause of the 12 defense.

Amulet - Crafted +2 Sorc Skills, 20% FCR, Mana, Resists

Rings - I switch off to whatever is needed, i use soj's, dwarfs, ravens, and wisps... or a fcr ring if i needed it.

Charms - an anni with pathetic stats and im working on getting a few cold gc's.

So the grey area is within my armor and boots. I used this same setup on my blizz sorc (cept with a blizz ormus), but i found i was:
Low on mana
Low on health
If anyone could help me out here itd be greatly appreciated.

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Next aspect i need help with are my stats.

Strength is fine, enough for equipment and i dont need much considering i got rid of that stormshield.

Now most people tell me that i should get the dex for max block... but this is alot of stat points in dex.

Other people tell me to use no dex and go all vita... I can't decide here. I like having lots of life, but the life bonus for sorcs isnt very good. If i could get your opinion on this itd be great.

Energy none

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Skill points: this is what i thought was viable...
COLD TREE ::::::::: 65
Frozen Orb - 20
Cold Mastery - 20
Ice Bolt - 20
Chilling Armor - 1
Prerequisites - 1

LIGHTNING TREE :::
Thunder Storm - 20
Lightning Mastery - I max this last, so 5+
Teleport - 1
Prerequisites - 1

FIRE TREE:::::::::::
Warmth - 1

What i wanted to do was emphasize the orb damage, but still get decent damage from tstorm. I know alot of orb sorcs dont max cold mastery, and max lightning mastery... but i figure since thunderstorm wont be a main killer itd be worth getting more out of an orb... (or will tstorm be a main killer?) and to give stacked resist's a hard time.


All help is appreciated
-pryz

 

[pryzmatik2]

hmm... ive been thinking and maybe if i went with chains of honor, i wouldnt need the 70 resists from sanc... and i could use a 20/20 shield? cant decide, cause then id need some %FCR to get the 105 breakpoint... and then id have to sacrifice my rings.

Also thinking about going ES and TK instead of Tstorm and Lightning Mastery... but then id prolly go frostburns instead of magefists. Most people on these forums show positive results when using ES in PvP... but alot of people that i ask in game complain about it...

Someone help out please :scared:

 

[lorax]

well first of all TS SUCKS.. its aged.. no dmg.. you should focus on MAX dmg and of course CM.. then ES/telekinesis .. hmm well your stuff seems allright.. CoH works well with sorc.. then you should have like low energy because if you maxed telekinesis then ES wont take that much mana.. then many many life and a whistans guard or what so ever max block the pvpers friend..

 

[TheGreatDivorce]

15% is the max for a Nightwing's Veil... You can't exceed 20% with a Facet.

 

[pryzmatik2]

well first of all TS SUCKS.. its aged.. no dmg..

yea i noticed that when setting up my skills, i'm not sure why alot of FO builds choose Tstorm to add along with it. Some tell me to stun but that wouldnt help all that much when your opponent has damn high FHR...

then you should have like low energy because if you maxed telekinesis then ES wont take that much mana..

How low is low? like how many points should i invest in energy to get a stable base for mana? I plan on using a cta also (a low one if any).

15% is the max for a Nightwing's Veil... You can't exceed 20% with a Facet.

Sorry i mix griffon's with nightwing's all the time. Im terrible at remembering stats on items. Not much less than 20 would have made more sense.

 

[sk8brdnick]

***105 cast rate***

You have the potential for extreme speed and manuverability so use it. An 8 frame cast will help keep you alive vs sins, zons and other casters.

 

[pryzmatik2]

yes i do intend on having 105 cast rate. thats why if i dont use ormus or vipermagi, i will have to sacrifice some of my rings for fcr rings... (i dont want to do that).

 

[pryzmatik2]

i am also thinking of using CoH instead of ormus/vipermagi, so i get a nice bonus to my resists, and because it would give me lotsa resists, i could take my sanc off for a 20/20 shield... hmm...

decisions, decisions..
-pryz

 

[ReallFugitive]

i am also thinking of using CoH instead of ormus/vipermagi, so i get a nice bonus to my resists, and because it would give me lotsa resists, i could take my sanc off for a 20/20 shield... hmm...

decisions, decisions..
-pryz

I'd use vipermagi over ormus any day, any build. If you don't have 105% fcr and are using a 10% ring, then use ViperMagi. Don't even bother with COH unless you can get 105%.

 

[lorax]

you should try gettin some mana SC.. and a whistan's guard... and a CoH... CoH will give you resist and whistan's guard will allow you to stay on low dex (120) while still haveing max block... then you woudnt need to put that many points in strength and consentrate at the vitality... if you need try watching my guide (pvm blizzard guide) link is here : http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=259771

watch the lowest guide... the most developed...

 

[pryzmatik2]

I'd use vipermagi over ormus any day, any build. If you don't have 105% fcr and are using a 10% ring, then use ViperMagi. Don't even bother with COH unless you can get 105%.

Grr... i dont think id be able to get 105% with COH...
Orb - 20%
Ammy - 20%
Gloves - 20%
Belt - 20%
2x Rings - 20%
Total = 100%
5% off... the only way i could make this work is go with hoto... but that probably wont happen, see'ing as fathom gives such a nice bonus to dmg. looks like COH is out of the question... along with a 20/20 shield .
As for vipermagi vs. ormus, i could either go with more resists but lower damage(vipermagi) or more dmg, no resists, and sacrifice one ring for an fcr ring... right now im leaning towards ormus for that extra damage.
Damn really wish i could get 5% fcr somewhere!!

you should try gettin some mana SC.. and a whistan's guard... and a CoH... CoH will give you resist and whistan's guard will allow you to stay on low dex (120) while still haveing max block... then you woudnt need to put that many points in strength and consentrate at the vitality... if you need try watching my guide (pvm blizzard guide)

Although whistan's guard has a nice block rate, other than that, its mods arent that great, in my opinion. Id rather sacrifice some block % for 70 resists or a +20/-20 facet shield.

Oh yea and this is a pvp orb build, not a pvm blizz :wave:

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

instead of tstorm use teleport, get it down to ~8 mana cost and you'll have no mana problems w/ orber, the maneuverability will save your life again and again

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

damage wont be much of a problem, you'll either be able to destroy then in one orb or not touch them, you're cold mastery if you get the charms is gonna be 250%+ and orb damage per shard will be huge, absorb is gonna be the only way aside from insane coldstacking resist esp if you duel in hell. they would need ~425 cold resist to have maxed pvp resist in hell.

 

[Pimpin Dream Girl]

I'd use vipermagi over ormus any day, any build. If you don't have 105% fcr and are using a 10% ring, then use ViperMagi. Don't even bother with COH unless you can get 105%.

W-O-R-D!

POWER TO THE VIPER!
DOWN WITH ORMUS!

P.S. ormus don't even come with FO so why even think about using it?

 

[pryzmatik2]

W-O-R-D!

POWER TO THE VIPER!
DOWN WITH ORMUS!

P.S. ormus don't even come with FO so why even think about using it?

well, i figured ice bolt would be the best bet with ormus, and its 20% cold damage either way.

I did some calculations, id be losing about 200 damage if i werent to use ormus... im not all that fond with orb damage but im guessing thats alot since its per shard. :scratch:

 

[Oversized_D2player]

If u don't have have max block and good dr a fast teleing barb will beat u every time.
A lvl 40 E-shield with max telekenisis is IMHO the best way to go for a orb sorc. other than that i really think u should take another look at a bliz sorc. The idea with them is to lure your opponents into your blizzard. most people use MH today so they will follow u if u tele away in a straight line. With bliz u still have ice ?blast? for a fast attack and enough -cold res to 1 hit kill most chars that don't seriously stack cold res.
With my bliz sorc she is lvl 85 with a max res in hell 13k bliz, storm shield, max block and over 1000hp before BO. I'm not exactly a pro player either.
Also i belive FO is so much easier to dodge than bliz. sure the shards get u but most duelers will use 1 raven against u anyway and that shard will be more likely to heal than do any significant damage (slight overstatement).

 

[pryzmatik2]

If u don't have have max block and good dr a fast teleing barb will beat u every time.
A lvl 40 E-shield with max telekenisis is IMHO the best way to go for a orb sorc. other than that i really think u should take another look at a bliz sorc. The idea with them is to lure your opponents into your blizzard. most people use MH today so they will follow u if u tele away in a straight line. With bliz u still have ice ?blast? for a fast attack and enough -cold res to 1 hit kill most chars that don't seriously stack cold res.
With my bliz sorc she is lvl 85 with a max res in hell 13k bliz, storm shield, max block and over 1000hp before BO. I'm not exactly a pro player either.
Also i belive FO is so much easier to dodge than bliz. sure the shards get u but most duelers will use 1 raven against u anyway and that shard will be more likely to heal than do any significant damage (slight overstatement).

i cant stand my blizz sorc. i have reached up to 10k with no gc's, and i tell you i cant stand it. out of the many duels with other sorcs, i lose like 90% of the time, because even if they do tele into the blizzard, it still takes a second to hit them if they tele fast enough (atleast in my experiences it seems this way). same goes for any other tele'er's.

and yes i do think that is an overstatement.

to get a 40 e-shield what should i prebuff with?

 

[Oversized_D2player]

prebuff with all the usual suspects
+3 from +3 lightning skill amulet
+2 from 2 sojs
+9 from Memory rune staff (make it in one that already has +3 to ES.. not that hard to find/trade for)
+2 from shako
+2 from COH/enigma etc
+1 from arachnids mesh
+1 anhilus
+20 without lightning charms
+ x from x lightning charms

Shoot an orb at a life barb with stacked cold res and/or one raven. shards will heal him.

 

[pryzmatik2]

prebuff with all the usual suspects
+3 from +3 lightning skill amulet
+2 from 2 sojs
+9 from Memory rune staff (make it in one that already has +3 to ES.. not that hard to find/trade for)
+2 from shako
+2 from COH/enigma etc
+1 from arachnids mesh
+1 anhilus
+20 without lightning charms
+ x from x lightning charms

Shoot an orb at a life barb with stacked cold res and/or one raven. shards will heal him.

So youre saying that against any stacked res barb, orb is useless?