Need Help with new build: CS mf zon

[longwood]

Need Help with new build: CS mf zon

I am really considering making a mfding Charged Strike zon, mainly for killing baal at the end of baal games. You know when everyone leaves the game and you can go pummel baal :clap: Well I need some help with gear. All advice is appreciated.

My main Delimia: I really only want to do this to get Baal GC's. However, it would be nice to get some nice rares out of it if possible. So I need to find a balance b/t a great killing machine and a decent amount of MF.

This is what I'm thinking so far.


Ist'd Griffons vs...... Shako
Enigma (Maybe only real option)
Eth Up'd Titans or T-Strokes
+2 Zon ammy with tons of MF
+2 Jav 20% IAS mf gloves
Ring #1 Raven
Ring #2 Dual leech with mf ring
50% War Travs vs Gores for killing power
Arachnid
Ist'd SS vs......... Um'd SS
Jav GC's resists or mf
Sc's with mf
Gheeds

MERC:
Holy freeze OR Might ????
Eth Reapers Toll
Chains
Gaze

 

[Liliel]

Wouldn't upped Goldwrap be better than Arachnid's Mesh? Arach's is more for casters.

Just at a glance, your resists don't look good. Is teleport an absolute must? A PTopazed or Umed Tal's Armour provides good resist and MF. I'd go with the Shako (Umed). If resists are still bad, go with PDiamond in the SS (save the Um for something else... like your Shako) or perhaps use a Rhyme Heater or something.

 

[longwood]

Another question,

Does IAS affect Charged Strike the same as jab, meaning do they use the same #'s for IAS??? I can't seem to be able to find this anywhere.


LONGWOOD

 

[CoRRuPt-OnE]

Delimia - Sry but that has to be the worst spelling mistake ever. But dont worry i won't hold it against you .

Helmet: Depends on weapon
Armor: Enigma - good choice
Weapon: Shako/T-Stroke or Griffons/Eth Up'd Titans i think the griffon combo would be best because between enigma and SS your strength will easily reach the requirement.
Ammy - Good Choice
Shield - Um'd SS
Belt - Gold wrap is way better choice the +1 skill is not that important to ias/mf
Gloves - Good Choice
Rings - Good Choices
Charms - Gheeds is a must. Not sure if you have an anni or not but that would be something to get. You dont really need jav gcs to take down baal by yourself in one player game. Instead, just stack up on mf scs.
Merc - HolyFreeze
Good Equipment. With decr from Reapers baal and holyfreeze will be moving really slow.

Resist Issue - I dont think baal packs quite an elimental punch so you should be ok even though your resists are in the negative.

 

[longwood]

Delimia - Sry but that has to be the worst spelling mistake ever. But dont worry i won't hold it against you .

Helmet: Depends on weapon
Armor: Enigma - good choice
Weapon: Shako/T-Stroke or Griffons/Eth Up'd Titans i think the griffon combo would be best because between enigma and SS your strength will easily reach the requirement.
Ammy - Good Choice
Shield - Um'd SS
Belt - Gold wrap is way better choice the +1 skill is not that important to ias/mf
Gloves - Good Choice
Rings - Good Choices
Charms - Gheeds is a must. Not sure if you have an anni or not but that would be something to get. You dont really need jav gcs to take down baal by yourself in one player game. Instead, just stack up on mf scs.
Merc - HolyFreeze
Good Equipment. With decr from Reapers baal and holyfreeze will be moving really slow.

Resist Issue - I dont think baal packs quite an elimental punch so you should be ok even though your resists are in the negative.

Corrupt,

Haha, I agree big time. Let me try again "Dilemma". I'll be honest with you, I studied today about 7 hours and on my break I typed this up real quick. Spelling is definitely not one of my fortes. Thanks for your advice. So lets modify this build. I am not to worried about resists and I'll play things by ear once I pass my board exam and get this character glitch rushed.

Helmet: Ist'd Shako vs Ist' Griffons (Will try both but leaning towards griffons since I just paid a fortune for one.
Armor: Enigma (the only choice)
Weapon: Either T-Strokes or Eth Up'd Titans
Ammy - +2 Zon/40%+ mf OR +2 Zon/Leech/Strength/Resists
Shield - Um'd SS vs Ist'd SS (Resists might not be an issue go go mf)
Belt - Fully Up'd Gold wrap
Gloves - +2 jav/20% IAS with Strength/Dex/Resists
Rings #1 - Raven
Ring #2 - Duel Leech MF Ring
Charms - 7% mf with minor modsAnni/Gheeds
Possibly Jav Lifers, I have a few extra so why not

Merc - HolyFreeze
Helm - Gaze
Armor - Chains
Weapon - Eth Reapers Toll


Still need to know bp's for Attack Speed for Charged Strike


Anymore suggestions would be great. Still trying to maximize power and mf for killing baal.

LONGWOOD

 

[Superhal]

i'm pretty sure cs, ps, impale and ls all use normal attack frames.

if you want balance for mf, you definitely need to sacrifice more power, e.g. harle instead of griffons. for melee chars, i would defininitly suggest 3 part tal's, mask, armor, belt, especially for boss killing (mask socketted with ptopz.) the mf is very similar to what you would get with the best items in those slots, the mask comes with a ton of leech and some res, and the armor has a lot of res. the belt comes with 37% damage goes to mana, always a big help vs bosses.

regarding weapon: for melee, i wouldn't use a zon-class weapon. my thunderstrokes only does 125 melee damage. my demon arch does 180, and i can easily get it to 12-11 frames as it comes with 20 ias (titans has none, tstrokes only comes with 15 ias.) i also found many rare weps with much higher melee damage than mat javs. hyperion javs have a good balance between speed and damage.

you also realize that baal has a LOT of hps? (500k in single player games, with 50% res to lightning/phys.) there's a longer discussion on this in "thinking about a baal runner" in the stats forum. a fully decked out lightning sorc can do 50k max, which would be 25k average, 12.5k after resists, which would still be 40-50 casts, and this isn't even coming against baal's blocking (minus another 33%) as a melee attack would. also, don't forget that leech is only half as effective against baal (on top of the quartering from just being in hell) so you only get 1/8 leech.

imho, go with 1pt jab and goreriders, and use that as your basis of comparision (takes me about 2-3 minutes.) if you can figure out a faster way, that would be great.

 

[Hrus]

Still need to know bp's for Attack Speed for Charged Strike

Anymore suggestions would be great. Still trying to maximize power and mf for killing baal.

Hi, if you know the german speed calculator, use normal attack and blade weapon instead of matriarchal javelin. They are both 1h thrusting weapon with the same speed , but noramal attack for javelins shows throwing breakpoints, not melee. If you don't know the link, I think it is in one of the the barbarian forum's sticky.

Arachnid vs Goldwrap.
IMHO Arachnid is better - +skill adds a lot to damage of CS. It also have 20% FCR which helps for teleporting (Amazons have very slow casting speed naturally). But still I would use Tgods anyday (I am using it at my Baalrunner) - +3Fury (great for minions), great stat bonuses (+20STR,+20DEX), and lightning absorb is very handy against souls.

Charm section - equip as much java skillers as you can, +skills really adds damage and speed.
It's worth to mention that on levels 20,25,30,35,40 etc 1 more bolt is added to CS, so you are dealing 1-4984 x 10 on level 35 and 1-5978 x 11 on level 40 (with 60 points in synergizing skills).

(My SP java-baalrunner setup:
Harlequin's crest /15%IAS jewel,
Skullders /PTopaz,
Mara's
Thunderstroke
Moser's Blessed Circle (2x Pdiamond)
switchagger of Lower resist (for dealing with Souls and speeding Baal kill) + Moser's 2XPdiamond
+3 java skills/20%IAS magical gloves
Tgods
rare 30%FRW,MF,resistance boots
Ravenfrost
rare ML/lightning resist/MF ring / SoJ
3 java skillers (I have not more of them )
Gheeds, MF charms, resistance charms

that gives me lvl 35 CS, almost maxed resistances (which is handy, because I kill WSK monsters on my way), the way for dealing with LIs (I just Lower resist them and use Charged strike), 8 frame killer attack and 300MF.
-I don't say it's the best setup, but it gives you an idea what is used by another people)

 

[longwood]

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. What I really think I'm gonna do is equip what everyone ends up suggesting. Then I'll time it on an average of 5-10 runs to see which setup is the best killing machine. As I said I'm not too worried about mf secondary to really only wanting baal gc's out of the deal. However, it would be nice to get mostly rares when I kill baal. So we will see. Anymore suggestions listed will always be appreciated.

Hrus~ Thanks for the info for attack speed. Yes I love that german calculator and I will use that for figuring out how much IAS I need.

LONGWOOD