Need help with avenger build

[benjeep]

Need help with avenger build

hey everyone. I have been thinking about building an avenger, because my frantinc zealot is having problems dealing with pyhsical immunes. But i need help with my skill piont allocation. I know i want to max vengence, holy sheild and convinction, But how many pionts should i put into the resist skills. Aswell i am not sure if some of my equipment will work. On my current pally i have a last wish Phase blade(which is my pride and joy), and a duress plate. plus other great things that give me alot of life tap and crushing blow. Would this equipment suit an avenger, because i hate mfing as it is so boring. any input would be great

 

[scottee]

Re: Need help with avenger build

hey everyone. I have been thinking about building an avenger, because my frantinc zealot is having problems dealing with pyhsical immunes. But i need help with my skill piont allocation. I know i want to max vengence, holy sheild and convinction, But how many pionts should i put into the resist skills. Aswell i am not sure if some of my equipment will work. On my current pally i have a last wish Phase blade(which is my pride and joy), and a duress plate. plus other great things that give me alot of life tap and crushing blow. Would this equipment suit an avenger, because i hate mfing as it is so boring. any input would be great

Skills: Get enough into conviction to have level 25 after +skills. Max vengeance and all three single-res auras. One point wonders. Put all remaining points in HS.

Equips: The Last Wish PB actually won't work very well. I'd suggest eBotDz, or an eth Oath BA if you want a cheaper option, since you want both high damage and good ias. Since vengeance pallies get slightly more benefit than usual out of +skills gear than most meleers, I'd suggest either CoH or Nigma, depending on preference and budget. With an Oath BA, LoH, and Highlord's, you'll be swinging at 9 fpa. With an eBotDz, you could reach one more bp if you get LoH, Highlord's, and Treachery, for 8 fpa- up to you to decide if that's worthwhile for you.

Since you'll be doing less than impressive physical damage, lifetap is great to help with leech. Manaleech is going to be tough unless you get a whole ton of it, so Insight would be pretty sweet if you're ladder. And CB tends to help with boss fights, though normal monsters should go down fairly quickly with the masses of elemental damage (pumped up by conviction) that you'll be doing.

Disclaimer- these opinions are based on my experiences with one avenger, who did not have access to a ton of 1337 gear (I play SP), so YMMV.

 

[lumpor]

Re: Need help with avenger build

Conviction shouldn't be maxed if you want your character to be perfect. Look at you end-game gear, and count how many +skills you will have (including torch and anni and battle command from cta). Including all that, you should reach a lvl 25 conviction. Of course, if you don't care about being perfect, you can just put points until you have 25 with your current gear.

I would only suggest maxed holy shield if you're playing hardcore. Vengeance has 4 synergies and needs an aura too, so this build is very synergy-intensive. Remember that your skills will be directed toward combat skills, which luckily includes holy shield, so the diminishing returns (in blocking chance) will already have kicked in.

For gear, unless you need ias on your armor to reach the next breakpoint, Ormus robes would be the best offensive option. The +skill damage will be multiplied by the enemies negative resistance, making vengeance far more deadly

And for this build, gore riders may not be the best boots, even though the avenger uses melee. Deadly strike will only be useful if you want to leech (personally I wouldn't bother), crushing blow isn't as useful with an 8-frame attack (and te problem with this build isn't damage, it's unflexibility). Open wounds mostly only prevent monster heal, but you can just put a poison charm in your inventory.

I would use goblin toe against bosses, and war travellers in other situations. The damage from the travs does work with vengeance, and will be multiplied to quite high numbers.

Even though I've never played an avenger, this is the information I've collected over a lifetime. Just my two cents

 

[Asmodeous]

Re: Need help with avenger build

Couple of guides that might help you out.

Firstly the guide to zealot weapons for physical immunes.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545616

And second, an Avenger guide.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517192

Hope these help and welcome to the forums! :thumbup:

 

[Meenah]

Re: Need help with avenger build

You might want to calculate whether max fana will give more damage than conviction (due to the ias mostly) and then go for +skills gear only... Mainly since conviction is capped at 25 for the -res and the mobs won't be immune to everything. Oh, except Uber Tristram of course, but I'm quite unsure how an avenger will make it there in any case.

Good luck!

 

[Garisdacar]

Re: Need help with avenger build

i would recommend using a 1pt vengeance but maxing all the synergies for it, and using dual dreams.

and you def don't need to max holy shield if you're not a smiter, the def bonus isn't worth losing points in your attack synergies. like 7 points is enough for mid game, and put your extra points in it late game.

 

[lumpor]

Re: Need help with avenger build

If playing SC, I still recommend 1 point holy shield, especially if twinked, or knowing you will get end-game gear sooner or later. Paladins are matched only in survivability by barbs. Defense also helps less then you think, and this skill needs skill points as much as a drug addict needs drugs. Every point counts.

Also, of course conviction gives more damage than fana. What's a few gear spots compared to -150% to enemy resistance? I don't know if there's any build which can take a bigger advantage of conviction.

 

[Luthor]

Re: Need help with avenger build

The build I've gone with is as follows:

Vengeance: 20
Resist Fire: 20
Resist Cold: 20
Resist Lightning: 20
Conviction: 17
Holy Shield: 2

Sacrifice, Smite, Holy Bolt, Zeal, Charge, Blessed Hammer, Might, Holy Fire ,Thorns, Holy Freeze, Sanctuary: 1 point in each (11 total)

Helm: Shako or Nightwing's Veil
Armour: Guardian Angel
Weapon: eBotDz
Shield: Herald Of Zakarum
Belt: Thundergods Vigor
Amulet: Maras
Rings: Ravenfrost and either Bul Kathos or SoJ
Gloves and Boots: Possibly something crafted?

With my current gear (lvl 65) my Conviction Aura is lvl 20 (16 hard points), Vengeance is I think 9 or 10 as I've only put a few points into it. I'm building up the synergies first as they don't cost me more mana to use and I'm putting 0 stat points into Energy. My planned final gear will yield +5 all/+3 Paladin/+2 Combat skills, so Vengeance will be 30, Conviction will be 25, and Holy Shield will be 12. I should also have 95% fire/cold/lightning resist, 90% Poison resist, 20% Cold absorb, 20 Lightning absorb(should sort out those ruddy Gloams) and ~1500 life. I'm hoping for a Faith bow to give to my hireling so I'll have at least a lvl 12 Fanaticism aura as well.