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Need help for my kicker

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by Pailon, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. Pailon

    Pailon IncGamers Member

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    Need help for my kicker

    Ok, here is my gear setup atm

    Helm: Guillame's
    Armor:
    Wep1: bartuc's w/ ber
    Wep2: bartuc's w/ ber
    Gloves: Drac's
    Boots: Shadow Dancer (Max Kicking DMG!)
    Ring1:BK
    Ring2: dual leech 6% :)
    Ammy:

    I need a lil bit of help on armor and ammy... Also, should I look for 3 socketed claws and put 2-3 ber's and some others? (I forget which gives itd and OW). Of course I am only lv 49 atm running Baal with no problems other than the MoD's cuz my hp is like 591 >.> I kill almost every enemy with one Dtalon on /p8 (287-325 or something close to that) with 6 kicks. I realize CB is the brunt of my dmg (hence the ber's) and I'm not using the gear now It's just what I have in my stash. Is there any ammy's with OW?

    Ty for advice/input
    ~Pailon
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    1 Bartucs with ber would serve you better because only the primary weapons Crushing blow will be added to kicks.


    I personally prefer W/S kickers since it opens up vastly superior opportunities for damage but you do lose clawblock. How open are you to the possibility of not using claws.

    Some such as
    Last wish
    Stormlash(Ber)
    Death
    Beast
    Lacerator(Amp damage)
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Well, could ow help from the off hand wep? Or ITD?
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Not with kicks.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Damn, so just skill claws there... Should I get a 3 socketed claw instead of bartuc's for various mods such as... CB OW and ITD? or just stay bartuc's. I found a 3 socketed claw last night so having it is not a problem
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Typically people don't waste bers on bartucs.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Hence the 3 socket claw suggestion.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    While a c/c kicker can be done - its more for the sake of bargain, which is why throwing a Ber in is seen as wasteful. Granted, if you're on NL, Hrs are more plentiful.

    I myself did plenty of runs with dual bartucs, but more to see if it was possible, not as a final solution.

    The Warrior Monk pretty much covers weapon choices, and even more so in the following posts under it.


     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    So, there is no "pure" kicker? I mean it's kinda really easy... just use DTalon for non PI's, DFlight for moving, and Dstrike(or firey one forget name cuz I'm in NM) for PI's but hit a non PI first.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    I think you mean Death Sentry which use Corpse Explosion and can kill physical immunes.



    The reason there aren't pure kickers are the PIs.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    Weapon: Azurewrath with Jah or Ber
    Armor: Duress or fortitude
    Boots: Up'd Gorerider
    Helm: Guillame's or Dream
    Shield: Stormshield, Tiamat's, Gerke's, or Dream
    Glove: Dracul's, LoH, or Ghoulhide
    Belt: String of Ears
    Ring1: Ravenfrost
    Ring2: Carrion Wind, or nice crafted/rare
    Amulet: Metalgrid, or nice crafted/rare. Cat's Eye not too bad either. A 25pdr amulet is great in PVM.

    Azurewrath in combination with Ghoulhide is ultimate combo for cleaning house in Chaos Sanctuary, as the aura not only removes all undead physical resistance, but the gloves also give massive attack rate boost and some bonus damage. The magic and cold damage on azurewrath, when added to those super fast talon kicks is ridiculously huge.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    That, and what are you going to do with the rest of the points - its not like you're going to use any other kick.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    20 talon
    20 fade
    20 venom
    20 shadow master
    20 blade fury, blade shield, blade sentinal, death sentry, cloak of shadows, or dragon flight.

    Plenty of creative places to spread those points.



     
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    I never said there weren't - but the point is you're not making a pure kicker in most of those combinations. BF is a waste, blade shield is a waste, Blade sentinal... shudder, death sentry means you're not pure kicker, CoS is bad to add points because of the longer delay to recast, DF is fine, but most people put the points elsewhere.
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    @Sass: I did not mean Death Sentry. I mean the kick that does explsive damage. (again I'm in NM hardly ever use it). Only problem is that you would have to hit a non PI first then the PI's will get dmged by explosion.

    @Dam: Hmm, that would work wonders. I'll try it. (I don't have a Ghoulhide... where is a good spot to mf for it? difficulty?)
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    mmm k.

    I think normal Baal might even be able to drop it. I've built so many configurations of kickers over the last decade. Beast, LW, rift, stormlash, claws, and just about every other runeword or unique. Although it's easy to make a 100% cb set-up with stormlash, I find that azurewrath is even more versatile for PvM. Besides, you can ber it if you want.



     
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    Amazed someone would think to call me a Troll in the Sin Forum.

    Funny how posting an opposing view elicits such a response. It could just be that our perception of a pure kicker is different?

    One thing you have to consider is game size. In single player environments, a well-equipped kicker should dominate in a variety of gear. CB is hardly a factor as you'll make quick work of most of the menial targets with a single kick animation. Combine those quick kills with Dsentry, and Chaos is a quick endeavor.

    When you up the player count is really when you notice impact of gear selection. One of the reasons Stormlash is hugely popular is for the static field as its applied so liberally thanks to dtalon's speed. Add in an Infinity wielding merc to reduce and break lightning resists and it really shines in full games.

    Note to Damric - As you mentioned you've got years of experience with kickers so you know this, but the OP does not.

    I personally stick to dracs for gloves, but that's because my kicker spent most of her time in Uberland where the lifetap was necessary. Outside of Uberland, I'd consider trangs for the fcr and improvement to venom.

    The magic damage on Azure is definitely nice to have, and most noticeable against the phys/poison immunes, insuring you actually deal damage. Another alternative for PI's is glimmershred. Not only does it offer 3 different elements, but its also takes up very little space.
     
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    Ah, you mean Dragon Tail. :)


    It could kill that way, but you need a lot of focus to get it strong enough (maxed with Tiger Strike maxed and 3 charges). Remember, only half the damage it does is fire, and the enemy has fire res. This skill has an unfortunate double penalty.


     
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    Why 20 in fade? with 1 pt in it I have 65 fire 75 rest... in Hell


    And for the thread purposes... I'll show stats/stats.

    With gear on... I don't want to dequip/requip
    lv 85

    Str:219
    Dex:193
    Vit:324
    Ene:73

    Dtalon:36
    Dflight:36
    (other two are 17)
    11 in everything leading up to Venom/ShadowMaster
    Venom/ShadowMaster:30

    Life:1251
    Mana:237

    I may loose Venom and make a different style of sorts...
     
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    Re: Need help for my kicker

    only 20 in fade depending on your gear. Remember 1lvl of fade = 1%PDR, so if you had a stormshield and string of ears, and maximum resistance, fade wouldn't matter at all. But if you used another shield like Gerke's or Dream, you would want fade to be very high for extra damage reduction.
     

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