Need help building a WW baba

Fable

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Need help building a WW baba

Okay, I'm probably gunna spec him frenzy after some time, cause WW will get boring, but first let's focus on WW, it's mainly the weapons I can't decide on, here's my dilema:

Okay, I've been looking around, and I have no idea what to side with, should I go with a 2hander, if so what 2hander, or should I go with two 1handers, if so what 1handers, my current thoughts are:

Eth BoTD Col
Eth BoTD BA + Beast BA
Eth BoTD BA + Death BA

I'm probably wrong tho, I'm going for damage, gunna get some CB and DS too.

Equip:
Helm: Arreats
Neck: Highlord
Chest:Enigma
Weapon: ?
Belt: ?
Feet: Gore Riders
Hands: Draculs
Rings: 2x BK

Stats:
?

Skills:
Max WW
Max BO
?
?
?

Need help building this thing :D main thing I want from it is to hit like a truck, and survive.
 

hubb

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

If you want a two hander go for an eBOTD great poleaxe. Dual wielding gives superior dps though.

Equip:
Helm: Arreats. Um'd Guill's face for a more offensive build. If you have a good torch and anni to cover your res I'd go Guill's face for sure.
Neck: Highlord's
Chest: Enigma. Else fort/coh
Weapon...
Budget: Oath small crescents
Best damage: Grief phaseblades
Other: eBOTDx2 or eBOTD+Beast, all in berserker axes. The mods on these increase your survivability quite a bit but doesn't quite compare to grief's damage. You can still own players 1 hell with these but in bigger games you really notice the difference.
Belt: Verdungo's or String of Ears or Thundergod's
Feet: Gore Riders
Hands: Laying of Hands
Rings: Ravenfrost + rare ring with dual leech, AR and optional resists. 2x Raven if you use 2xBOTD because BOTD has dual leech. Without good charms your AR will struggle to hit 5K, and the AR from ravens is unbeatable.

Stats:
Enough str and dex for equipment, rest vita
You can go partial titan by getting your strength up to 250 or whatnot. Every point in strength is worth 1% ed so it makes a difference on a build with enigma because you're lacking in the off-skill ed that coh/fort brings.

Skills:
Max WW
Max BO
Max weapon mastery
Max shout
1 point in: 4 remaining masteries (excluding weapon masteries), berserk and find item. I put the rest in find item, but you can also do stone skin or berserk. Or a couple of points more into natural resists if your charms are lacking.

Might merc with reaper's toll. Fort and andy's is probably the best option. My ideal would be ebugged treachery + eth shaeled reapers + eth andy's or 15 ias jeweled guill's face. The point is to get him to proc decrip as quick as possible.

*For frenzy it's much the same except that off-weapon ias counts, and ias on the boot-side weapon doesn't. So an off-hand Death is an option. As with WW, griefs are the best option dps-wise but you could also use BOTD BAs, eBOTD/BEAST BAs or eBOTD/Death in BAs or swords.
 
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BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

If you want a two hander go for an eBOTD great poleaxe. Dual wielding gives superior dps though.
u sure about this? dont most two handers have longer reach, thereby hitting more monsters? i would think it would be about the same...

also regarding Oath, WW won't trigger chance to cast stuff right? so the bone spirit wont trigger when using WW?


 

hubb

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Range has little bearing on damage in pvm imo. Most of the time the baddies are running towards you so there's usually something in range. Maybe against dispersed and weak monsters where it takes one hit to take them down it'll go a bit quicker with a GPA. Then again, when you dual wield there are almost twice as many hit checks so it's tough to say.

415%ed eth GPA has an average damage of 668. Accoring to zerk (iirc) durability loss shows that you hit about 70% of the time with the off-hand weapon when you dual wield. So grief would give 437*1.7 (or 437 + 437*0.7, same thing) = 742 average damage. 2xeBOTDz gives 366*1.7 = 622. It's not as simple as they have different mods but here Grief's 20% DS and ITD puts it on top.

WW won't trigger the bone spirits but that's hardly what makes Oath the best budget weapons :p
 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

It's a bummer ww doesn't work with ctc stuff. Reapers toll or something with ctc glacial spike would be a lot off fun.

My only point with 2h weapons is that since it has better reach, in theory u would be hitting more monsters due to the better reach. The same is true of using a 2nd weapon so I was just wondering if it was about the same since I'm also making a wwbarb.
 

Fable

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

For weapons I was planning on going: eBOTD BA (For the leach and damage) and Beast BA (For the Ias and ED from fant) what is it that's so special about Grief?
 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

For weapons I was planning on going: eBOTD BA (For the leach and damage) and Beast BA (For the Ias and ED from fant) what is it that's so special about Grief?

Nothing all that special, it was probably suggested because its much cheaper to make. For myself, I'm thinking about going with am eth balrog blade oath and cryptic sword kingslayer. Not sure how the mods work tho...for example does the -25 to enemy defense from kingslayer work only when that sword is striking a monster?


 
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hubb

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Grief was suggested because it has the best damage, simple as that. Like I said, the thing that makes Grief "special" is the damage, 20% deadly strike and ignore target's defense. Leech can be found elsewhere. I've tested (i.e. played the actual game) and calculated these things multiple times but you can choose whether to believe me or not.

If you're not obsessed with damage output then BOTD and Beast is fine and you probably won't notice the difference. Beast's aura also works well for zerking physical immunes.
 

Fable

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Grief was suggested because it has the best damage, simple as that. Like I said, the thing that makes Grief "special" is the damage, 20% deadly strike and ignore target's defense. Leech can be found elsewhere. I've tested (i.e. played the actual game) and calculated these things multiple times but you can choose whether to believe me or not.

If you're not obsessed with damage output then BOTD and Beast is fine and you probably won't notice the difference. Beast's aura also works well for zerking physical immunes.
Won't notice the difference between BoTD+Beast and Grief+Grief? another reason for me going with these two weapons too is that they would probably be good for uber running frenzy build.


 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Grief was suggested because it has the best damage, simple as that. Like I said, the thing that makes Grief "special" is the damage, 20% deadly strike and ignore target's defense. Leech can be found elsewhere. I've tested (i.e. played the actual game) and calculated these things multiple times but you can choose whether to believe me or not.

If you're not obsessed with damage output then BOTD and Beast is fine and you probably won't notice the difference. Beast's aura also works well for zerking physical immunes.
For those of us who don't have the wealth to get ahold of a Lo rune, what would you recommend? Gul is the highest I have and I was thinking of going cryptic sword: Kingslayer (20% AR bonus and -25% target defense seems like it would be pretty helpful) and eth balrog blade: Oath. With these weapons according to this http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english if I can get 34% IAS from other equipment I would hit a 2 fps whirlwind. i imagine that would be pretty darn good, plus i get heart of wolverine from oath. although now that i think about it, if the sword was ethereal, i dont think id be able to repair the charges, so maybe i shouldnt use an ethereal weapon after all. i have some 38% mf war travs around and the ik belt and helm, maybe even gloves. so with the helm and a couple ptopaz i could have around 100% mf. marginally useful but better than nothing, and i imagine with the right gear this kind of setup could be a boss killer. i dont think i'll ever have the wealth to get the gear to run ubers but mfing or rune hunting with something other than a sorc will be a reward in itself hehe.

edit: i guess i shouldnt go ethreal, from what i have read you cannot repair the charges on an ethereal item. since ethereal adds 50% damage and HoW at lvl 16 adds 125%, i'm gonna have to go with a regular balrog blade ;)


 

hubb

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

I don't play dupe/bot.net and my luck since 1.13 went live has been atrocious, so I'm in the same boat.

Nonono. Using an eth base for you runeword adds 50% damage to the base damage of the weapon, meaning your damage is effectively multiplied by 1.5. HoW (completely useless because it dies in 4 seconds anyway) adds 125% to your off-weapon enhanced damage which is completely different. That 125% just gets added to the other ED from WW itself, weapon mastery and strength.

Eth Oath is by far the best budget weapon. Kingslayer does have some nice mods but I'm not sure whether it's worth it since (assuming average rolls on both weapons) eOath will do almost double the damage. To get some CB you could Um a guill's face and use that instead of arreat's, or just keep one in your inventory to swap when facing bosses.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/axes.shtml
http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/swords.shtml
Have a look there and you'll see Small Crescent, Ettin Axe, Colossus Sword and Berserker Axe are the best Oath bases. Small Crescent are the easiest to get since they get a max of 4 sockets, but anything with more than 45 average damage will do.

IAS from other equipment doesn't affect WW. Look at that calculator again, both weapons you mentioned actually hit the last breakpoint :p
 

sirwhere

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

If you plan to use enigma instead of fortitude or chains, you may want to use arachnid's belt for the fast cast.

Teleporting at base fast cast sucks lol.
 

Fable

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Just to update you on the situation I went with eBoTDz and Beastz, I totally regret rolling the Beast, it's just about broken after one Diablo run, I'm going to roll duel Grief PB now and see how that works out :)
 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

Colossus can hit third fastest breakpoint? I figured the balrog blade would be better because it has a faster speed and similar damage.

I might go for two oaths, not sure what ill do with the kingslayer sword now but oh well. Maybe a fury druid or something. But as above mentioned, ww takes down durability pretty quickly.
 

hubb

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

^Are you talking about whirlwind? Make sure you're using the calculator correctly. I think all one handed weapons reach the last WW breakpoint with the 50 ias from Oath.

I'm never going back to weapons with durability D:
 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

I'll check the calf again, I was just referring to bb base won speed of 0 vs. Colossus speed of 10. But hey if both hit the same breakpoint with 50 ias, so much the better.
 

BewareOfLag

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

I don't play dupe/bot.net and my luck since 1.13 went live has been atrocious, so I'm in the same boat.

Nonono. Using an eth base for you runeword adds 50% damage to the base damage of the weapon, meaning your damage is effectively multiplied by 1.5. HoW (completely useless because it dies in 4 seconds anyway) adds 125% to your off-weapon enhanced damage which is completely different. That 125% just gets added to the other ED from WW itself, weapon mastery and strength.

Eth Oath is by far the best budget weapon. Kingslayer does have some nice mods but I'm not sure whether it's worth it since (assuming average rolls on both weapons) eOath will do almost double the damage. To get some CB you could Um a guill's face and use that instead of arreat's, or just keep one in your inventory to swap when facing bosses.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/axes.shtml
http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/swords.shtml
Have a look there and you'll see Small Crescent, Ettin Axe, Colossus Sword and Berserker Axe are the best Oath bases. Small Crescent are the easiest to get since they get a max of 4 sockets, but anything with more than 45 average damage will do.

IAS from other equipment doesn't affect WW. Look at that calculator again, both weapons you mentioned actually hit the last breakpoint :p
using the calculator, you're right...basically you can hit 3 frame WW with even the slowest 2 handed sword. i guess i just kind of assumed it would be fewer frames than a balrog blade. oops!


 

Elyxthaxzus

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Re: Need help building a WW baba

honestly, if your WW-ing id drop the enigma for a fort or CoH. hard to tele when your WW'ing, and i find on my barb that leap is all i need to clear most obstacles...enigma is better with frenzy, so keep it around, but Fort is a good compromise, your resists will probably be fine in normal PvE play

I personally find range to be a great ally in PvE play. I feel the difference when going from a poley to a 1h sword. Mobs do run towards you, but often they don't as well (as with ghosts and specters). there ahve been tons of times that I've whirled between a few monsters spread out that my swords don't hit but my poleya. do. and its far easier to tag running mobs with a poleys reach then a 1h sword. But sounds like the OP already made his choice, so guess its post-mortem advice :)

and a quick note on the grief...the benefit of damage comes from the fact that the damage range is very tight...the RW doesn't add a percentage of damage as ebotd does, but it adds a flat damage amount. it's best in a phase blade due to its lower IAS, whereas the BotD works well in slower weapons due to its higher IAS. they are both sick killing machines in PvE, and either one will work fine.
 
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