National Smoking Ban?

[Bordillo]

Way to display that whopping maturity and intelligence, dude. You're a credit to your nationality.

Nice flame, but your 12,000+ posts on an online diablo forum really display your relationship with society.

 

[Anakha1]

Nice flame, but your 12,000+ posts on an online diablo forum really display your relationship with society.

Ooh... I've been active over the past 3 years in a lot of debates. Horrors. And I assume you mean the relationship with society in which I'm married, have a career in the military, a university degree and an active social life? Yeah, I really suck. It wasn't a flame, it was an observation, which you just backed up with an inane and foolish comment based on a post count. And considering that you also frequent these forums and have 343 posts yourself you're really not in a position to comment. Move on and grow up.

 

[Dondrei]

*Roasts some marshmallows on the roaring flames*

Ah, this is the life.

 

[Johnny]

Well if your not from america, or not american than stop posting opinions on american laws, we dont care

The divided states of america isnt the only country with these smoking bans.

P.S. our country is better than yours

This does so much to enhance the american stereotype that I cant help but smile and think about how much your own countrymen must hate you for it.

 

[DBShako]

This is old news. Just another rung in the ladder of success for our governments devide and conqeur approach to obliterating our liberties.
Not much that can be done about it really. Just sit back and watch as social engineering preys on the nescience all too prevalent in our country today. Watch as the propaganda breeds soldiers to fight for pro-regulation, either in the polls, or in forums such as this. Their self-righteous indignation and pretentious anecdotes will outlast almost anyone in such arguements. And they will win. And only in the end, will they see the big picture. Only after its too late, will they realize exactly what it is they have won.

 

[Johnny]

This is old news. Just another rung in the ladder of success for our governments devide and conqeur approach to obliterating our liberties.
Not much that can be done about it really. Just sit back and watch as social engineering preys on the nescience all too prevalent in our country today. Watch as the propaganda breeds soldiers to fight for pro-regulation, either in the polls, or in forums such as this. Their self-righteous indignation and pretentious anecdotes will outlast almost anyone in such arguements. And they will win. And only in the end, will they see the big picture. Only after its too late, will they realize exactly what it is they have won.

That tin foil hat isnt sitting to tight is it?

 

[Stevinator]

That tin foil hat isnt sitting to tight is it?

If they were banning Soda because it makes people fat, you might change your tune (assuming you like soda--you have to like something).

Oh wait, they just took all the pop out of the schools!

This is not about second hand smoke, this is not about employee health, this is about a government playing Big brother, and telling its citizens how to run their live and how to run their businesses, with no real threat or reason. Whether or not people can smoke in a private establishment is of no concern to the government. That's not tin foil hat, that's America's love of liberty talking.

If business would go up if there was no smoking in bars why don't the owners of said bars just switch to non-smoking on their own? Why? because it won't help business. People at Bars want to smoke.

There already are restaurants that don't allow smoking and that's working fine. why hurt the ones that do allow it? there's no reason for it. No one seems willing to address this fact. no one here can give me a straight answer.

Why should smoking be banned from all bars and restaurants, instead of left up to the the bar and restaurant owners to decide what would be best for their businesses?

 

[Stoopid_NewB]

If they were banning Soda because it makes people fat, you might change your tune (assuming you like soda--you have to like something).

Last I checked, soda doesn't release toxic fumes into the air, endangering the health of everyone around me. Maybe I'm drinking the wrong brand

no one here can give me a straight answer.

you've been told exactly why smoking has been banned in some states and why it should be banned in others. you don't have the right to compromise the health of those around you when you go out in public.

Why should smoking be banned from all bars and restaurants, instead of left up to the the bar and restaurant owners to decide what would be best for their businesses?

Because it's not the owner's health at risk. The people primarily at risk are the people who work there. The people the laws are designed to protect. Secondarily, the patrons are at risk. The owner does not have the right to poison them, whether it be by second hand smoke or by rat poison in their food.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

-Stevinator-
I completely agree with what you are saying.
Anti-smokers don't like it, therefore it's bad and the government should ban it.
Any other excuses they give are just for distraction.

 

[Johnny]

If business would go up if there was no smoking in bars why don't the owners of said bars just switch to non-smoking on their own?

Because if the owners could make the chioce then a few would make nonsmoking bars and instantly lose all thier smoking customers because smokers would just go to the smoking bars instead. Now there are no smoking bars to go to so no matter where smokers go its the same.

The reason it benefits the bars is because smokers will still go out and now non-smokers will go out more than before.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

Because if the owners could make the chioce then a few would make nonsmoking bars and instantly lose all thier smoking customers because smokers would just go to the smoking bars instead. Now there are no smoking bars to go to so no matter where smokers go its the same.

The reason it benefits the bars is because smokers will still go out and now non-smokers will go out more than before.

So you're against a free market.
If an owner chooses to go non-smoking, there is a cost involved, and according to many other posts in this thread, a long-term benefit of the flood of non-smokers that would go there after it is smoke-free. Same as any other business/marketing decision.
You want the government to control the market by making that decision. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Stoopid_NewB]

I'll make a deal with smokers. You can smoke next to me if I can spay a can of Raid in your face. Any takers?

 

[Talga Vasternich]

I'll make a deal with smokers. You can smoke next to me if I can spay a can of Raid in your face. Any takers?

Compare a legal activity(smoking) with an illegal one(assault)?
Well done...great point!

 

[SaroDarksbane]

I'll make a deal with smokers. You can smoke next to me if I can spay a can of Raid in your face. Any takers?

Hey, as long as the management says it's okay and the customers know what they are getting into ahead of time. =P

 

[Stoopid_NewB]

Compare a legal activity(smoking) with an illegal one(assault)?
Well done...great point!

How's it assault? I'd merely be spraying toxic chemicals in your face. Seeing as smokers feel they have the right to do it to me. I should be able to do it too.

 

[Johnny]

So you're against a free market.
If an owner chooses to go non-smoking, there is a cost involved, and according to many other posts in this thread, a long-term benefit of the flood of non-smokers that would go there after it is smoke-free. Same as any other business/marketing decision.
You want the government to control the market by making that decision. Thanks for clarifying that.

"The market is a great worker but a horrible master"

You have to tug the markets chains once in awhile to keep it from straying and hurting people.

 

[oscarmk1]

Well to be honest im surprised the poll is so close, I would have expected the no to be overwhelming, even though i'm all for the yes.

 

[Stoopid_NewB]

Well to be honest im surprised the poll is so close, I would have expected the no to be overwhelming, even though i'm all for the yes.

Some people took it to be a complete ban on smoking. I only meant for it to apply to restaurants and bars. So there probably should be a few more yes.

 

[oscarmk1]

Some people took it to be a complete ban on smoking. I only meant for it to apply to restaurants and bars. So there probably should be a few more yes.

I think a complete ban would work just fine with me.

 

[Ranger14]

This is not about second hand smoke, this is not about employee health, this is about a government playing Big brother, and telling its citizens how to run their live and how to run their businesses, with no real threat or reason. Whether or not people can smoke in a private establishment is of no concern to the government. That's not tin foil hat, that's America's love of liberty talking.

I say B.S. on that all of the above. If there wouldn't be siginifant health issues attached to the above we wouldn't be having this discussion. To lead us to believe they are banning it for the sake of banning something to flex their muscle is quite ridiculous.

If business would go up if there was no smoking in bars why don't the owners of said bars just switch to non-smoking on their own? Why? because it won't help business. People at Bars want to smoke.

You apparently didn't read the statistics on the site I posted. Many bar owners are voluntarily switching over and doing it very successfully in the valley here.

There already are restaurants that don't allow smoking and that's working fine. why hurt the ones that do allow it? there's no reason for it. No one seems willing to address this fact. no one here can give me a straight answer.

Once again, I posted statistics where it is having a positive impact on businesses. Don't know how much more of a straight answer you want. You're throwing out your opinion that it is automatically hurting businesses with nothing to back it up. Most smokers are use to not being able to smoke inside buildings not. It does not bother one of my smoking friends that they can't smoke in a restaurant they go in. Most won't even in a smoking restauarant out of courtesy. Oops...I mentioned the "C" word. Now I am going to get it! :tongue: