My mf orb sorc.

[Snevet]

My mf orb sorc.

Hi,

I have a lvl 86 sorc that's pretty well equipped. I've got +9 skills, and I think 120% fcr.

I'm actually fairly surprised at my survivability in hell now since I cranked energy shield and TK.

However, I'm really annoyed with all of the immunities in the game and I'm wanting a bit of a change.

Would a meteorb or blizzballer be more effective overall?

I'd really like to get to 90+, but I don't want to invest much more time levelling in my char because I'm aware of its limitations. I'm primarily out to MF, and I'd like be able to kill Nihl as well.

ANy suggestions on a new build?

 

[rynke]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

a meteorb is a great choice

or fb/orb sorc, pretty much the same

but they're great @ mfing, and then u wont need more than 105% fcr

 

[sirpoopsalot]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Would a meteorb or blizzballer be more effective overall?

Personally, I prefer the blizzballer, for two reasons:

1. Meteorbs are primarily a fire(ball)sorc, with a FrozenOrb backup. There are more fire immunes than any other immunity in the game, meaning Meteorbs are stuck using their (mediocre) backup skill more than many other sorceress.

2. Blizzballers, have a "more predominant" cold attack in Blizzard & Glacial Spike. In most cases, 'cold' is a primary attack. Cold monsters = slower monsters = safer monsters.


Meteorbs might be a little bit more powerful, but in my opinion the slight difference in power doesn't outweigh those two points.

 

[petrov]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Sirpoops,

Could you imagine improving the meteorb sorc by beefing up their forb power at the expense of the meteor/fireball power - for example, by putting more points into icebolt (or CM?) at the expense of firebolt or FM?

Maybe make the forb/fireball skills about equal in utility rather than one as "backup"?

Thanks,

Petrov.

 

[sirpoopsalot]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

@petrov,

Absolutely. I've never been especially impressed with Meteor (it works great against immobile monsters, but really... how often are immobile monsters a "threat" in the first place? :scratchchin.

So I'd gladly sacrifice Meteor and spend the extra points in IceBolt and/or Cold Mastery. In fact, I recently explored a few different dual-element builds that were focused specifically on WSK/Baal runs, and this 'hybrid' was very high on my list of recommendations.

 

[Pitboss_2000]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

I think the only places where I have used meteor are against a moat-tricked Mephisto and against Baal's minions. :/

 

[Youlan]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

well if there is a bunch of monsters attacking ur merc that might be the time to use meteor

 

[petrov]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

@sirpoops,

Could you suggest to me how many points you might put into IceBolt and/or CM then to make it a more even hybrid between the two trees? (I've currently got 14 unusued skill points...)

I'm running with ful tal's set and a spirit monarch. Not rich enough for soj's, so got MF rings and pretty boring mf rare boots - but would hope to accumulate enough wealth for them in due course. No skill charms yet.

Many thanks again!

Petrov.

 

[redground]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

The least imune monster in hell are the light imunes, so you could make a charbed bolt orb / Cl/Orb.

The light imune stuff in game are pretty easy to kill with a frozen orb. But you will need 12 more FCR (if CL), that can make you sacrifice some gear.

Or maybe a full Orb sorc with Firewall(or nova) as beckup skill.

 

[Snevet]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Thanks for the input everybody.

I like the idea of a FO/CL sorc or something. I can see that being really effective.

Just looking through the build sticky, I don't see any direct links to a CL/FO build, can anybody suggest one to me?

 

[Azha]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Thanks for the input everybody.

I like the idea of a FO/CL sorc or something. I can see that being really effective.

Just looking through the build sticky, I don't see any direct links to a CL/FO build, can anybody suggest one to me?

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=562

It's in the guides & Knowledge library sticky

I built CL/FO too, and she is just great. It's my favorite sorc now (out of Meteorb, Pure Bliz, Blizballer, pure lightning, enchantress, pure fire). She is level 90 and run Baal without any problem. She can rush well as she can walk anywhere and kill anything (only LI/CI uniques needs merc). But you need Lv85+ and full Tal Rasha set+ to be really safe and effective Baal runner. My sorc died time to time in her low 80's when she didn't have full Tal's. Now she wear Tal's 3 pieces (Ammy, belt and armor), Griffon, Death's Fathom, Sandstorm and Magefist, and she is unstoppable!

 

[stephan]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

1. Meteorbs are primarily a fire(ball)sorc, with a FrozenOrb backup. There are more fire immunes than any other immunity in the game, meaning Meteorbs are stuck using their (mediocre) backup skill more than many other sorceress.

Actually, this is a misconception. Cold is the most common immunity.

The best use for Meteor is burning up wave 2 and 3 in Baal runs.

 

[Youlan]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Actually, this is a misconception. Cold is the most common immunity.

The best use for Meteor is burning up wave 2 and 3 in Baal runs.

and so is fire wont u have trouble doing the first wave baalruns oh let me guess u rely on the merc
the best sorc to do baalruns are the light sorcs

 

[stephan]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Meteorbs generally don't have trouble clearing the first wave. The only real trouble for them is sometimes the 5th.

 

[Socialism]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

The best cheater (dupewords, etc.) sorceresses for solo Baaling are likely lightning sorcs.

Legit? I'd say orb/fireball/teleport with decent FCR (I'd imagine I'd prefer 200, but get what you can get).

I only play hardcore, so my views are likely colored by survivability and the like.

 

[Hypnosx]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

Why do people do chain lightning/frozen orb instead of regular lightning/frozen orb? In my experience with my pure lightning sorc, regular lightning is better than chain lightning most of the time anyways due to its the NextHitDelay on chain lightning and lightnings much higher damage

Regular lightning does more damage and the times when it is weak, when there are a bunch of spread out mobs all over the screen, are times when frozen orb works great

 

[sirpoopsalot]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

@stephan, not in "good" MF areas, me thinks. *hides*


@Hypnosx
FYI, Lightning suffers the same Next-Delay penalties as CL. Of course, bolts don't "bounce back and forth", so it's a lot less noticeable with Lightning, most of the time.

I tend to agree with most of your point though... Lightning > CL (in my opinion). But in many cases, I think CL "builds" are often a misnomer. It's kindof like a how a Meteorb is primarily a Fireball sorc, with Meteor only being used in specific situations - despite the buildname.

On my CL sorcs I tend to have a slight emphasis on my usage of Lightning (over CL), depending on my crowd-control needs of the moment (and laziness on "aiming" properly).

 

[eggman111]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

I've got a FO/CL sorc and she's great. For mfing, I can do the pits easily, as well as meph with no problems. WSK is a little more challenging, but it's possible. I didn't go the max block route, which would have probably been better in retrospect.

There's a guide at http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=562. I'm not sure why it's not on the sticky.

EDIT: Ah, the link was already given. Nevermind.

 

[stephan]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

@stephan, not in "good" MF areas, me thinks. *hides*

You mean the WSK and Baal throne room? :whistling:

Anyways, I agree that Meteorb is more Fire oriented than is purely necessary. Right now I'm making a FB/Meteor/FO sorc with more emphasis on FO. It's in HC vanilla though and since I have to start with nothing I'm can only do Hell Meph now (he only needs to drop me a Arachs and Mara's still :whistling . I'll see how it works out for WSK/Baal's sometime.

 

[petrov]

Re: My mf orb sorc.

You mean the WSK and Baal throne room? :whistling:

Anyways, I agree that Meteorb is more Fire oriented than is purely necessary. Right now I'm making a FB/Meteor/FO sorc with more emphasis on FO. It's in HC vanilla though and since I have to start with nothing I'm can only do Hell Meph now (he only needs to drop me a Arachs and Mara's still :whistling . I'll see how it works out for WSK/Baal's sometime.

Stephan, what's your build plan for the more FO-focused sorc you refer to? I'm in the same position - got 15 spare skill points at level 85 and don't know whether to pump CM, Icebolt, Firebolt or FM... (wearing full tall's with spirit shield).

Petrov.