My first sin - virgin question

[denverpoker]

My first sin - virgin question

Well I have read most of the guides in strategy compendium. Based on the few things that I see.

You will always no matter what you build have shadow disciplines, with the possible exception of venom. There are to many one point wonders. This is like a great passive tree.

Traps - Even if you are just a melee character using MA it would seem to me that you would still want to have Death Sentry to get to Corpse Explosion effect.

Martial Arts - This is where I'm unsure about. The TS/DT seems like the best combo to me.

I want to build a hybrid. With COS I just can't see building a character without being able to physically kill them myself. And this would help feed bodies into DS.

Here is what I am thinking.

Hybrid/MA trapper

MA - work on TS/DT - total 40 skill points
Shadows - a bunch of the stuff
Traps - Get LS maxed - and DS or or CBS - to a decent level

Any advice is appreciated

I think this would work good.

 

[Taishaku]

TStrike and DTail? Because It won't work with Talon.

In PvM... yeah, I see alot of builds with DSentry... but in PvP builds I see Wake of Fire + Mind Blast for lockdown purposes. Does LSentry work just as well? Because I can't ever get people locked down with it on my friend's Trapper.

I want to build a DTalon Pure MA (With SD Tree , of course)... but no one seems to give me any straight advice.

 

[Evil Monkey]

I want to build a DTalon Pure MA (With SD Tree , of course)... but no one seems to give me any straight advice.

Look here for ilkori's guide I've tested it myself and it works great, though it does include two trap skills (Death Sentry and Blade Fury). Death Sentry is only used for it's Corpse Explosion and Blade Fury for Chaos Sanctuary (when Maiden'ed).
Though I looked for the same thing as you, I came through with these skills in a succesive way.

 

[ilkori]

The K/T sin is definitely the one to go for on a powerful MA/Trap hybrid. My summary is just one optimization of the guide C-Beat built. There can either be an emphasis on traps or kicking. I think that I have posted advice on the setups a few times, so check my post history if you really want to know.


My personal marks against the TS/DTail combo are:
- Physical/Fire is already covered by Death Sentry. Why not put 20 Talon and hit faster with some extra elemetal damage on equipment.
- Chargeups - the damage may be huge, but don't forget how long it takes you to charge.
- Dual-resistance problems. Both monster phys and fire damage will reduce your damage. That makes things difficult.

Don't get me wrong, it could work, I just think there is better.

 

[Dante Sparda]

ive build my 5th assn and i have failed with first 4 Pure MA variants

and now on my 5th assn i seemed to be successful on pvp with maxing LS and all of its synergy and with lvl 15 dtalon (lvl20 with items and planning to lvl90 to max kick) so this is my skll pt allocation

as of now i am trying to get upgores or SDancers shoes cta 3more traps gcs anni 5sock runemaster fort or duress 2soc Coa and resist shields

atm i equiped my k/t with shako ss guardian wizpike blood fist spider angelix stuff + raven for cbf and zero durability eth Shadowdancers(i call it kick bug damage because the kick damage remained even in pvp and i tested it even when my eshadowdancers are broken)

 

[denverpoker]

The K/T sin is definitely the one to go for on a powerful MA/Trap hybrid. My summary is just one optimization of the guide C-Beat built. There can either be an emphasis on traps or kicking. I think that I have posted advice on the setups a few times, so check my post history if you really want to know.


My personal marks against the TS/DTail combo are:
- Physical/Fire is already covered by Death Sentry. Why not put 20 Talon and hit faster with some extra elemetal damage on equipment.
- Chargeups - the damage may be huge, but don't forget how long it takes you to charge.
- Dual-resistance problems. Both monster phys and fire damage will reduce your damage. That makes things difficult.

Don't get me wrong, it could work, I just think there is better.

An excellent response. I can tell I respect your opinion and have already read your guide.

q1. I thought DS was a lightning and physical not fire and physical

comment the dual resistance seems to me to be a small issue, I don't know how many there are. When I hit those that is what the lvl 20 LS is for.

I already got tiamants shield after reading your guide in case I decide that is the way I want to go.

 

[BIGeyedBUG]

I thought DS was a lightning and physical not fire and physical

The corpse detonation is 50/50 fire/physical.

comment the dual resistance seems to me to be a small issue...

It's not, and I think you've misunderstood--ilkori's not talking specifically about FI/PIs. The fire damage that Dtail causes is equal to the physical damage done to the release target, after physical resist is considered. In effect, your total area damage will be reduced both by the physical resistance of the release target, as well as the fire resist of all targets in the area. (So release on a PI = 0 damage.) In Hell, the majority of monsters have some level of both resistances. This is huge.

You can minimize the problem by always releasing on targets with the least physical resistance. If you can find a source of amp or decrep, that'll improve your damage output drastically.

When I hit those that is what the lvl 20 LS is for.

Level 20 LS won't do much on its own. You'll need 20 LS + 20 DS and plenty of +skills to make it work.

 

[ilkori]

Death Sentry has two modes. Lightning for its shot when there are no corpses. The corpse explosion part is half fire and half physical.

On the dual resistances, it's not that there are many dual-immunes, but most monsters seem to have at least 30% restance to one or the other. I don't know how well playing one in Hell works, but I would try using a Lacerator to increase both types of damage.

Good luck with your build wherever you go with it. Let us know how things go when you get there, too.