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Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union

Telegraph.co.uk said:
Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)


Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.

The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro.

However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."

He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles."

However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority.

Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working.

Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment.

As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path.

The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces".
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If you remember back to the riots all over France I said that this was the start of a civil war in France. Now the French police are saying it.
 

Ariadne

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Personally I think it's all overrated. What that small group wants is us to be afraid. I don't think I will be afraid. I'm not stupid, I know what is going on, esp in this country! - but I will not be afraid.
 

Drosselmeier

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Evil Conservative Inc said:
And once again Dross sticks his head in the sand.
No. Once again I have to teach you some very basic facts about the French, their society and their history. And by "teach" I mean try to teach.
 
You can try to teach me nonsense but I won't have any of that. The French are going to fall from inside and I'm the only one talking about it. I expect a full apology when it happens
 

PlagueBearer

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Drosselmeier said:
From what I understand, most of the fuel behind that particular movement was boredom. At any rate, a socialist strike/protest rally is not exactly equitable to a growing population of people who the French chose to neither include nor eject from their society.

As far as I can tell, the French government is trying as hard as it can to pretend that religion doesn't exist, and without their religion, Muslims are not a problem. Therefore there is no problem.

I've been talking for a while about how faith is a mechanism by which humans are controlled by society. Their faith is stronger, and so they move with unity. As our faith dies, we become parylized, all of us moving in different directions and going nowhere. Meanwhile, their Imams say "attack" and they do it. They say "starve yourselves" and they will. Their Leaders tell them to strap bombs to themselves and become human weapons they do not hesitate.

They are going to win if we cannot unite. Uniting under as Christians might be the way we have to do it.
 

Lostprophet

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ECI said:
The French are going to fall from inside and I'm the only one talking about it. I expect a full apology when it happens
This is only fair if you're offering the reverse if/when it doesn't, in fact, happen.
 

PlagueBearer

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Lostprophet said:
This is only fair if you're offering the reverse if/when it doesn't, in fact, happen.
The Fench are by no means past any kind of point of no-return. Their present course could well lead to Smeg's theoretical, but on the off chance that the French people can somehow become unified in fighting off this other tribe they will manage to survive as a people.
 

SaroDarksbane

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Evil Conservative Inc said:
You can try to teach me nonsense but I won't have any of that. The French are going to fall from inside and I'm the only one talking about it. I expect a full apology when it happens
I'll take that bet.

Time frame?
 
SaroDarksbane said:
I'll take that bet.

Time frame?
When:
Before Christmas 2009 it will be declared an official civil war between native Fench and radical Islamic immigrants - primarily from North Africa.

If that's not an acceptable time frame I'll entertain a counter offer
 

SaroDarksbane

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Evil Conservative Inc said:
When:
Before Christmas 2009 it will be declared an official civil war between native Fench and radical Islamic immigrants - primarily from North Africa.

If that's not an acceptable time frame I'll entertain a counter offer
Three years, eh? Alright then.

But only an "official civil war".
 
To clarify that, do you want it a civil war that all politically active OTFers can agree on, one that the US state department calls a civil war or one that the UN declares a civil war?

Since nothing but bragging rights and an appropriate amount of deserved gloating are on the line I don't care which one it is.
 

Dondrei

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"Us"? You're identifying with the French now, Smeg?

This is all about French immigration law, unemployment and social ostracism (nobody alienates foreigners like the French). Particularly in recent times, things like the headscarf ban have been a match in a tinderbox. This is all down to local French issues - hell, a lot of those Muslims aren't even Middle Eastern, they're African.

But it isn't surprising that some people choose to cloak the local socio-economic struggle in the guise of a religious struggle, after all this is what ALWAYS happens - everywhere and all through at least the last two thousand years of history. Religion is a rallying-cry, a flag, a standard, a team colour. It is not a cause of anything. Indeed, Al Qaeda et al are themselves fighting for socio-political reasons disguised by religious rhetoric. Does anyone really think the conflict in Northern Ireland is a religious one? No, and these others aren't either.

So yes, a few people will raise the banner of "jihad" in this domestic French conflict, and sure, no doubt Al Qaeda and likeminded organisations will attempt to tap this resource of discontent as they tap others for recruits. But if you think that Smeg's rantings have anything to do with reality then well, you're a very special person.

PlagueBearer said:
They are going to win if we cannot unite. Uniting under as Christians might be the way we have to do it.
Yes, please do. Then you and the Muslims can go kill each other and leave people with sense alone.

Evil Conservative Inc said:
When:
Before Christmas 2009 it will be declared an official civil war between native Fench and radical Islamic immigrants - primarily from North Africa.

If that's not an acceptable time frame I'll entertain a counter offer
I want a piece of this action. What's the bet? Shall we say US$100?
 

WildBerry

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PlagueBearer said:
As far as I can tell, the French government is trying as hard as it can to pretend that religion doesn't exist, and without their religion, Muslims are not a problem. Therefore there is no problem.
You do know that it is the standard French policy to neglect the concept of religion in public spheres and has been for quite some time? Not saying it is right or anything, just that their treatment of those of Islamic faith is in not many ways different from their treatment of other religious groups.
 

Dondrei

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WildBerry said:
You do know that it is the standard French policy to neglect the concept of religion in public spheres and has been for quite some time?
Mmm, I seem to recall them fighting a whole civil war about that sort of thing in fact...
 

WildBerry

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dondrei said:
Mmm, I seem to recall them fighting a whole civil war about that sort of thing in fact...
Well, that's the idea, and would - almost - make Smeg's rant plausible if he'd chosen to pick up his fallacious "history repeats itself" card again. But since obviously he had no clue, thanks for bringing it up.

Although seriously, no, you can't prove a future Moslem intifada by what's happened that long ago among seculars and Christians of varying degrees. Sorry, Smeg. I was just kidding.
 
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