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Murderer?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Stevinator, May 4, 2005.

  1. Stevinator

    Stevinator IncGamers Member

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    Murderer?

    The recent thread on Nature got me thinking today. Let me explain.

    I cam e home today for lunch (I'm roughly a mile from work) and noticed a fly making the most irritating noise near the kitchen sink. I was a little grossed out because there is some food sitting out nearby and i didn't want the thing infecting myself and my family killing the lot of us. Plus, that buzzing was annoying. So i grabbed a napkin and squooshed the fly, and threw it out.

    For some reason i couldn't help but think that public enemy would prolly be upset by this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he'd call me a murderer.

    as i walked upstairs to my laptop with my lunch, I considered the moral repercussions of my action. I thought, well, my body kills all sorts of bacteria every day, and I doubt that's considered bad, especially since I don't really have any control over that. I'm sure I kill about an ant every day the weather is nice, what with all my walking around. Was killing this fly any different? If it had been a puppy, I'd feel bad. but since it was a fly, I don't.

    Where do we draw the line between puppies and bacteria, even the kinds that don't cause illness but nonetheless killed everyday in our systems. In essense, I'm asking the forum; what is okay to kill?


    thoughts?
     
  2. mhl12

    mhl12 IncGamers Member

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    can actually hit them?

    edit: lol it happened again. :lol: 6th time today
     
  3. Jimi-

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    i like to shoot bumblebees with my air pistol
     
  4. mexicanoloco

    mexicanoloco IncGamers Member

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    well..i think it was...i mean flys almost all there time are in a dirty place..and then sometimes they go and stand on some food that you might eat later..and have one thing in mind...they reproduce a lot more and a lot faster than puppies (and flies are ugly!!;))
     
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    Hardly murder. Killing a puppy wouldn't be murder. Murder is killing another human being with ill intent (i.e. out of anger, jealousy, etc.). Killing animals is not murder. Animals shouldn't be abused, but at the same time we shouldn't let them abuse us.

    Personally, I try not to kill anything unless I start needing to take action. That is, I slap misquitos and occasionally swat the flys that are after my food, but I don't step in an anthill if I can avoid it.
     
  6. Johnny

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    I think of it in another way. Its not murder for every bug you squish. Its mercy whenever you do not squish one.
     
  7. Jimi-

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    they dont fly when i have the pistol 0,1 mm infront of them
     
  8. nrabbit

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    well i consider this a murder but don't feel guilty it was his time
    may his soul go to heaven
     
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    make it hell for making that god damn buzzing sound
     
  10. Johnny

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    Old man god up stairs must be up to his neck in flies if they all go to heaven.
     
  11. theBlackKnight

    theBlackKnight IncGamers Member

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    Someone is going to try and prove otherwise, but anything below reptiles and birds on the food chain couldnt possibly have a soul to save in my opinion.

    EG: Humans -> soul
    Mammals -> possible
    Birds -> possible
    Reptiles -> possible
    plants, bugs, slimes, goo's, and lower forms of fish -> very very unlikely.
     
  12. Ash Housewares

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    birds don't have souls
    birds suck, screw them
    I hate anything that flies, flying squirrels glide, they're cool
     
  13. Johnny

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    What about flying fish?
     
  14. Ash Housewares

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    I hate fish too, little bastards
     
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    well he created them then he should be responsible for their souls :uhhuh:
     
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    But if he didn't create them with souls...
     
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    This had me laughing out loud. :D



    I'll kill any bug which come near me/crawls on me.

    I will also kill wasps if they get close but not bees. Bees will die if they sting you but wasps dont.

    I don't go out of my way to kill them, just if they bother me.

    KnightFall
     
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    Apart from their infection spreading abilities consider this...

    We have lots of holes in our body:nostrils,ears,mouth,bellybutton etc...ever imagined what would happen if something like a small fly infiltrates & wreaks havoc :scared:

    it never happened to me,though a fly got stuck in my socks & was desperately trying to buzz out,but nothing could have survived there. :thumbsup:

    So I'd say gj.... :clap:

    Rik
     
  19. Moosashi

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    First of all, you have not summarized a food chain. There are some spiders and large centipedes that regularly prey on birds and rodents. 'Lower' (you really mean ancestral) fish e.g. sharks eat seals (mammals) all the time. There is no real hierarchy, scientifically speaking, in the degree of advancement of life, and certainly not one that is reflected in predator-prey relationships. Every living thing on Earth has been evolving for the same amount of time. You have know way of even remotely knowing what kind of organisms may or may not have souls. If you're the type of person that really believes in souls, then you might refer to the Bible for your information: only Man has a soul.

    I don't kill anything without good reason, but I don't think killing a fly is murder, or morally comparable to killing a man.
     
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    I kill as many things as I can. Death to everything.
     

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