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Most durable build?

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by Norre, Jul 31, 2010.

  1. Norre

    Norre IncGamers Member

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    Most durable build?

    Out of all builds out there, which one do you think is the most durable?
    All thats unallowed is to walk away from the monsters :crazyeyes: you have to stand still and take all the beatings, and its not versus some specific monster(s) but just all-in-all.
    I think it would either be a ironman barb or maybe a 20 dodge+evade+avoid ama? although both are more or less (less...) vulnerable to magic.
    But then again im not expert at these things :whistling:
    PS: obviously this is just theoretical so perfect gear is standard.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    sry i've seen godlys and godlys dont lose hp wich wuold pretty much be a smiter with life tap.
     
  3. Jake the Quinceeater

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    Re: Most durable build?

    Possibly an Abbott.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Any build that hits fast and can proc Lifetap, you don't really need cta with it.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Sorceress:

    20 points warmth
    20 points firewall (frozen orb or nova could work also)
    20 points fire mastery
    20 points telekinesis
    20 points energy shield.

    Stat allocation:

    str: 3 more than base.
    dext: enough for maxblock with whitstan's guard
    vita: none
    Energy: rest.

    gear:

    Some rare circlet with sorc skills, fcr, 90 mana and 20 dext.
    Some rare amulet with sorc skills, 60 life, 90 mana and 20 dext.
    hoto
    vipermagi
    whitstan's guard
    Frostburns
    2x SOJs
    arach
    crafted boots with 60 mana and +5% mana and 9 dext.

    Charms:

    9x 59mana/45 life GC's
    10x 17mana/20 life sc's
    20/20 torch
    20/20 anni

    With a +9 ES memory staff on switch, Also, you have a barb on a 2nd account to BO you with level 53 Battle orders.

    ...

    Ok, let's do some math:

    total dext needed for maxblock with whitstan's guard on a sorceress at level 99: 186

    total base dext + from gear... i count 124 not counting jewels (sorcs start with 25 dext). you'd probably want to socket with shaels anyway. so you need 62 more dext for maxblock and 3 str over base ( to use gear, whitstan's guard is heaviest item at 53 str). You start with 505 stat points, so you've got 440 left, or 880 mana from stat points.



    HP / MP:
    40 / 35 (base starting values)
    98 / 196 (from levels, level 99)
    0 / 880 (stat allocation)
    60 / 0 (hp from golden bird quest)
    0 / 90 (mana from circlet)
    60 / 90 (hp/mana from amulet)
    0 / 40 (+20 mana per soj)
    0 / 60 (60 mana from boots)
    405 / 531 ( grand charms)
    200 / 170 (small charms)

    TOTAL:
    863 hp / 2092 mana

    multiplied by...
    *1.91 for hp from BO
    and *(1 + 1.91 (bo) + .4(fbs) + .5(sojs) + .15(hoto) + .05 (boots) + .05(arach)) or *4.06 mana

    TOTAL AFTER %modifiers:

    2511 hp and .... 8494 mana. LOL

    but add 80 to both those figures from torch/anni vita/energy (i don't know why this doesn't multiply with bo:

    Grand total:

    2591 hp and 8574 mana. with maxblock and 95% energy shield.

    I should mention that the formula for mana regeneration is based on max mana... its max mana * (1+mana regen) / 120 Since your warmth skill is maxed and you have +16 skills from gear/battle command, you'll be at +450% mana regen... which means you regenerate 393 mana per second.

    I don't think mana burn mobs should be too much of a problem with maxblock and that much hp, esp considering your mana regens so fast. You can probably regen it faster than they can burn it for the most part. You could also probably outregen all elemental mobs with the exception of a few dozen burning souls.

    edit: messed up the math.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Not checked rest of your maths but arach and boots would add 0.05% each, not 0.5%, pretty big difference (about 2k mana I think).
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    oh crap. you're right. edited post lol.

    but there was another error in the other direction... i forgot to add the 100% mana you start out with just by existing. so the mana actually comes out higher, and the hp a lot higher. (i've done this math before and i remembered it came out to over 8k so i think i looked at the "over 8k number" and though "that seems right".


     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    What build is able to survive the blowing up of an entire pack of extra strong, might aura, fire enchanted Undead stygian dolls?
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    the sorc build i posted probably could. 8500 mana with .75 mana lost per damage absorbed, so you've got an effective hp pool of 13836.


     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Imo pdr berserk barbarian is the coolest of all of them.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Anything built around integer damage reduction would be the toughest in its class. To just dump it in a game and let it stand there, as mentioned Abbot. If you were going to hit stuff then I'd say wolfbarb with a ton of FHR.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Quoted for emphasis.


     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    How about a maxed vita conc barb with maxed battle orders and shout (and maxed resists of course)? You would be unbelievably slow at killing stuff, but you can get your defense upwards of 10K.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    You would be able to get your defense upwards of 50K. Especially if you get yourself a defiance mercenary.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    A wolfbarb can go way over that for defense. So can a Pally. I'm assuming that conc barb can as well.



     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Yes. I should have been more specific. A conc barb can get his defense over 10k without a defiance mercenary and without high end gear. Yes, with top end gear you can get up to 50k, but a conc barb could get to 10k with relatively easy to find stuff or stuff you can trade for pgems.



     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    please go with high end gear that non-nonladders can only dream about... :thumbup:

    also.. with 50k+ defense, how likly is it to be hit? just aprox ofc since it varies with clvl, mlvl and monster type.


     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Aldeth: Hitting 20-30K is not at all unrealistic if playing untwinked if you also drop points into Iron Skin.
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    dont you need some top end armor for that much??? my zealot with prudence(highest def unbreakable armor) and maxed hs only had around 30k.

    Anyway, about the abbot and es sorc, abbot has the obvious weaknesses of

    Minions of Destruction
    Venom Lords
    Frenzytaurs
    Other very strong physical damage enemies (especially ES/Fana/Might Boss packs)

    as Ssog himself said in his guide, and es sorc has the ~20% mana burn poss packs being deadly(and no, 2.5k life with low def and low dr doesnt protect well).

    I think a bearbarb with doom on would be the all around best tank(without vulnerabilities)
     
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    Re: Most durable build?

    Abbots are seriously overrated; although I have never had "perfect" gear - aka some sick circlet with 25+21 damage reduction and only use griswold.
    The 85 (or something) pdr damage I had was simply not enough in 8 player games.

    A 'standard' barb, or even a hammerdin seems to be more powerful, since those chars have either ridiculous life/defense; or just are a flying tank that stunlocks nearly everything..
     

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