Latest Diablo 3 News
Support the site! Become a Diablo: IncGamers PAL - Remove ads and more!

MFO Summer 2019 Signup and Running Thread

Discussion in 'Single Player Forum' started by PhineasB, Jul 26, 2019.

  1. PhineasB

    PhineasB Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    2,375
    Trophy Points:
    188
    I wanted to circle back to this question and see if there are any objections to expanding to include A84 but sticking with the current scores.

    I'm not expert on drop odds, etc., but it seems like it's actually a bit of a disadvantage to people who want to focus on A84 due to slightly worse odds? I just did a quick check on Astreon's at 0MF, and the odds were marginally worse in A84 than in A85. So if folks want to run other areas and don't mind using A85 scoring (i.e., a slight odds disadvantage), I can't think of a reason not to allow it.

    I'd appreciate feedback from a few people who've participated in a few MFOs and are good at drop odds. Maybe let's give it through the end of the weekend to make a decision based on discussion?
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
    mir likes this.
  2. T72on1

    T72on1 Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2016
    Messages:
    4,950
    Likes Received:
    4,073
    Trophy Points:
    236
    I'm not good at drop odds (for some reason I even thought that not everything can drop in level 84 areas), and I've only participated in 2 MFOs. But for what it's worth, I follow your reasoning, and as such I don't mind people running those areas.

    Btw, if it's allowed, which areas would you be running @mir ? I assume not Maggot Lair 1 and 2? ;)
     
    PhineasB likes this.
  3. Luhkoh

    Luhkoh Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    166
    @PhineasB This is my first MFO, but if I'm good enough at drop odds to weigh in, I agree with your assessment. A84's have barely different odds for relevant items, and those odds are slightly worse. And ofc champions can't drop qlvl 87 items. I agree there should be no difference in scoring. The only way there could be some hidden advantage to A84 as far as i know, is if someone finds that they can get a better boss/minute in one than the pit. And I think that would be a cool (but unlikely) discovery.

    @T72on1 Maggot lair is surprisingly not that bad, and is better than mausoleum I would say for fire characters. But I'm thinking the best alvl84 area would be drifter cavern. Perhaps halls of pain and vaught as well. I actually had in the back of my mind that it could be a fun idea to have an alvl 84 rf/mf tourney sometime. Anyways I don't feel like there's a good reason to do alvl 84 for this tournament at all (unless you just need the variety), but no reason not to allow it either. I do think its fun and underexplored though.
     
    PhineasB likes this.
  4. ffs

    ffs Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,501
    Likes Received:
    2,803
    Trophy Points:
    188
    Interesting points. How do drop odds compare generally? I for one could see the appeal to run a different area even if slightly less rewarding.

    Edit: I guess Champions not being able to drop qlvl87 is quite bad though...
     
    PhineasB and Luhkoh like this.
  5. Luhkoh

    Luhkoh Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    166
    @ffs They are almost the same. I think the only difference comes from the "mlvl-qlvl" part of the MF calculation. So just as an example. with 300 mf, a pits boss has a 1:50298 chance of dropping griffons. In drifter cavern a boss has 1:50415 chance. The primary difference is as you mentioned, that champions (aka 20% of your bosses) can't drop tyraels. This is ofc a big disadvantage, but they should still be viable for a good MFO score.

    The only one I think that has a chance to rival pits/tunnels in bosses per minute is drifter cavern. Perhaps with a lot of evil urns that you pop mostly at the end of the run. But like you said, it's just fun to do some different runs. I think an rf/mf tourney like youve done before for alvl 84 only would be really interesting. But to stay on topic, the boss chance to drop is almost the same as alvl 85.
     
  6. art_vandelay

    art_vandelay Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2019
    Messages:
    309
    Likes Received:
    552
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Same should be true for alvl 83 like the Glacial Trail. As for stuff that you lose out on:
    From Unique Monsters:
    - Tyrael's
    - Arachnid Mesh
    - Azurewrath
    From Champions:
    - The three items above
    - Stormlash
    - Tomb Reaver
    - Mang Song
    - CoA
    - Death's Web
    Depending on the map for Glacial Trail+Drifter Cavern it could be quite sick in terms of bosspack numbers.

    This should be like RFL round 3: Yes, AS can't give you Zod (or you know: shouldn't...) but it can compete with every other area as long as there are not to many Zod's or crazy 1.07 HRs around.

    The Drifter Cavern might be the MF version of the AS :D
     
    mir and Luhkoh like this.
  7. Luhkoh

    Luhkoh Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Good point. I didn't think of tacking glacial trail onto the run. I didn't think of alvl 83 as "worth it" in general, but when its on the way to an alvl 84/85 area, I bet it definitely is.
     
  8. mir

    mir Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    623
    Likes Received:
    351
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Well I want to run glacial trail as I find it much more enjoyable than pit or AT runs even if it's level 83 (I was sure it's 84 :().

    EDIT: what motivate me so much is the feeling that I get lots of rare items in those areas (glacial trail level 1/2)
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  9. ffs

    ffs Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,501
    Likes Received:
    2,803
    Trophy Points:
    188
    What's going on here? Sign up people!

    Edit: @PhineasB I assume we can switch categories until MFO starts? I'm considering Baal with my 99er for the duration of MFO. I realized he's 98 so I guess could cash in Ancients at this point – if I can handle worse XP efficiency for that period of time, not sure about that yet. :D
     
    PhineasB likes this.
  10. PhineasB

    PhineasB Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    2,375
    Trophy Points:
    188
    @ffs yes, entries can be changed up until start of MFO. I updated second post to reflect current entries. Keep 'em coming ;)
     
  11. maxicek

    maxicek Moderator Single Player

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    1,660
    Trophy Points:
    535
    Please note your version/mod status.

    -------------------
    Baal
    -------------------
    PhineasB [1.13d SC FAM]
    Pharphis [1.00-1.13d HC FAM]
    Vildecor [1.14d SC FAM]
    Pb_pal [1.13d HC/SC FAM]
    jjscud [1.13c SC FAM]


    -------------------
    Pindle+
    -------------------
    Yng [1.14D SC FAM]
    art_vandelay [1.14d SC FAM]
    Dagaz [1.14d SC FAM]
    maxicek [1.14d SC FAM]

    -------------------
    Level 85 Areas
    -------------------
    zemaj [1.06 - 1.14d SC FAM]
    Albatross [1.14d SC FAM]
    T72on1 [1.14d, HC/SC, FAM]
    D2DC [1.14d SC FAM]
    Grape [1.00 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    ziambe [1.07, 1.13d SC FAM]
    Luhkoh [1.14d SC FAM]
    ffs [1.14b SC FAM]
    WoRG [1.06 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    Gynli [1.14d SC FAM]
    Mir [1.14d SC Vanilla]
    Babyhell [1.14D SC FAM]
    -------------------
    Teams
    -------------------




    --------------------
    Available for teams
    --------------------
    PhineasB
    pharphis
    zemaj
    Vildecor
    ziambe
    Luhkoh
    Pb_pal
    WoRG
    Babyhell

    * * * * *


    I can only run for about the first four days, just going to have to hope they are lucky ...
     
    PhineasB likes this.
  12. Babyhell

    Babyhell Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2019
    Messages:
    841
    Likes Received:
    909
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Changing category: will run Pindle to add some competition there, with my now 92 BabySorc twinked fire ;)

    Keeping the same goals anyway!

    By the way, a team can be created now: we need another challenger from Pindle+ runners!

    Please note your version/mod status.

    -------------------
    Baal
    -------------------
    PhineasB [1.13d SC FAM]
    Pharphis [1.00-1.13d HC FAM]
    Vildecor [1.14d SC FAM]
    Pb_pal [1.13d HC/SC FAM]
    jjscud [1.13c SC FAM]


    -------------------
    Pindle+
    -------------------
    Yng [1.14D SC FAM]
    art_vandelay [1.14d SC FAM]
    Dagaz [1.14d SC FAM]
    maxicek [1.14d SC FAM]
    Babyhell [1.14D SC FAM]

    -------------------
    Level 85 Areas
    -------------------
    zemaj [1.06 - 1.14d SC FAM]
    Albatross [1.14d SC FAM]
    T72on1 [1.14d, HC/SC, FAM]
    D2DC [1.14d SC FAM]
    Grape [1.00 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    ziambe [1.07, 1.13d SC FAM]
    Luhkoh [1.14d SC FAM]
    ffs [1.14b SC FAM]
    WoRG [1.06 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    Gynli [1.14d SC FAM]
    Mir [1.14d SC Vanilla]
    -------------------
    Teams
    -------------------




    --------------------
    Available for teams
    --------------------
    PhineasB
    pharphis
    zemaj
    Vildecor
    ziambe
    Luhkoh
    Pb_pal
    WoRG
    Babyhell

    * * * * *
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2019
  13. PhineasB

    PhineasB Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    2,375
    Trophy Points:
    188
    Alright, because all the feedback received agreed that it doesn't provide an advantage, people should feel free to run A84 and A83 areas in the A85 category, with scores for all based on the A85 drop odds. Good luck to everyone leveling characters to enter!
     
    T72on1, Luhkoh, mir and 2 others like this.
  14. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2019
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    17
    Going to go with level 85 areas. Don't yet want to do ancients to get to Baal. Likely AT with my Nova/ES sorc.

    Please note your version/mod status.


    -------------------
    Baal
    -------------------
    PhineasB [1.13d SC FAM]
    Pharphis [1.00-1.13d HC FAM]
    Vildecor [1.14d SC FAM]
    Pb_pal [1.13d HC/SC FAM]
    jjscud [1.13c SC FAM]


    -------------------
    Pindle+
    -------------------
    Yng [1.14D SC FAM]
    art_vandelay [1.14d SC FAM]
    Dagaz [1.14d SC FAM]
    maxicek [1.14d SC FAM]
    Babyhell [1.14D SC FAM]

    -------------------
    Level 85 Areas
    -------------------
    zemaj [1.06 - 1.14d SC FAM]
    Albatross [1.14d SC FAM]
    T72on1 [1.14d, HC/SC, FAM]
    D2DC [1.14d SC FAM]
    Grape [1.00 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    ziambe [1.07, 1.13d SC FAM]
    Luhkoh [1.14d SC FAM]
    ffs [1.14b SC FAM]
    WoRG [1.06 - 1.13d SC FAM]
    Gynli [1.14d SC FAM]
    Mir [1.14d SC Vanilla]
    CaseyJones [1.14d SC FAM]
    -------------------
    Teams
    -------------------




    --------------------
    Available for teams
    --------------------
    PhineasB
    pharphis
    zemaj
    Vildecor
    ziambe
    Luhkoh
    Pb_pal
    WoRG
    Babyhell
    CaseyJones
    * * * * *
     
  15. DiabloTwoinDC

    DiabloTwoinDC Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2013
    Messages:
    2,135
    Likes Received:
    1,621
    Trophy Points:
    232
    I thought everyone was playing a forum prank on me about Pit Zerkers, unlike the Blood Raven Annihilus which is totally real! Finally managed to find a decent qualifier though.
    Code:
    Steel Pillar                        9.3
    Runs are getting faster as I get used to the map, and I'm averaging a bit more bosses as I figure out where they usually spawn. I think I would occasionally miss some boss packs while I was first getting going. Debating if I should try to level up to 89 to use Caster Amulet. No increase in MF%, but I do cast quite a bit of Tele/Howl..

    Starting to believe that I can actually mount a respectable score now. ;)
     
    T72on1, Babyhell and Luhkoh like this.
  16. maxicek

    maxicek Moderator Single Player

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    1,660
    Trophy Points:
    535
    I would do the levelling to at least 89, normally to 92 at least. I normally level in Trav first as WW, then respec.

    Helps the survivability of the merc and your chance to hit too.
     
  17. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2019
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    17
    We need some MFO HYPE up in here!...
    So, what do you have to do yet to prepare for this year? Roll a new map? Finish up a character?

    Me, I am currently lvl 85 on my untwinked novasorc and missing a few nice gear pieces. Looking to hit lvl 90 before it starts and hope to get a gheeds and war travs before then. A couple of light skillers rolled by then would be nice too.

    As for the map, I like my AT map fairly well though I haven't officially scored it. Fairly linear, several boss packs a couple telports in, a few more just a couple teles from that, and then a couple around the chest...my gut feeling says it averages around 7 unique/champ groups so not optimal but still like it well enough.

    Come on guys...HYPE! :)
     
    Luhkoh likes this.
  18. Luhkoh

    Luhkoh Diabloii.Net Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    166
    AT for nova sorc? You crazy :p 7 bosses per run would be godly! Did you mean pits maybe?

    I have my zerk barb ready but no good map yet. I've taken a break from him and am working another character, but next week's play time will be solely devoted to finding him a map. If worse comes to worst, well I still rack up a decent number of boss kills during the rerolling process :) Cant wait!!

    [​IMG]

    Edit: @Gripphon where is your AT barb?!
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2019
  19. pharphis

    pharphis Diabloii.Net Site Pal

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    13,932
    Likes Received:
    1,887
    Trophy Points:
    283
    frost nova sorc was fun in AT but mine died before level 90. This is without beta CtA
     
    Luhkoh likes this.
  20. maxicek

    maxicek Moderator Single Player

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    1,660
    Trophy Points:
    535
    I rolled a great Pindle map.
     
    T72on1, DiabloTwoinDC, mir and 5 others like this.

Share This Page