Mfing Sorc

[Ice_Wolf]

Mfing Sorc

Alright, I started making my MF sorc for ladder, and I'm trying to figure a skill plan for her. She is purely going to be MF, so that's all I'm focusing on. I was thinking that I was going to do 2 major skills, that being Chain Lightning and Frozen Orb. Now, I remember reading that you couldn't run a couple bosses because they are always cold immune, which means I couldn't go pure cold. Is it going to be worth going CL and FO, or should I go something more like Bliz and FO? I know fire is good, but I think Bliz and Orb are better than Meteor and Fireball. I guess it all comes down to who I won't be able to run if I go pure cold. Anybody know which bosses are always cold immune? Thanks for the help.

 

[Bugzy]

Most people generally run Pindle, Meph and Baal.
For the tc87 items you'll need to run the pits and other tc87 areas.

Popular builds for running pindle,meph and baal can generally be any build that combines high damage with small delay. Every couple of seconds saved on a pindle run adds up and likewise with meph/baal.

Builds for running all of the above needs to have 2 trees. Popular builds are blizzard/fireball, blizzard/fw, blizzard/meteor, fo/fireball, fo/fw, fo/meteor. Hydra isn't as effective because the damage to speed ratio is poor. I wouldn't recommend lightning as a skill tree to use. A well equiped merc can take on most fire/cold immunes and you can grab static to give him a helping hand.

My fireball MF'er who is on sp (i quit bnet) is level 52. He will be going fireball/meteor/static. I intend to let my merc do some killing and I will mostly be running the bosses.

What you need to decide before you make your MF char is what you intend to mf on.

 

[Sartok]

With your build, you can also run countess with you CL, this can merit you some nice runes... luck providing. With your CL you can also handle Pindle and his hoodlums pretty well.


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[melianor]

With your build, you can also run countess with you CL, this can merit you some nice runes... luck providing. With your CL you can also handle Pindle and his hoodlums pretty well.


:xfrosty:

Any build with a Merc can run the Countess? This myth, that countess can only be run by Sorc with skills from Lightning tree, is really hard to abolish
Just stun/knockback countess with Telekinesis and your Merc makes mince-meat out of her.

 

[Sartok]

Any build with a Merc can run the Countess? This myth, that countess can only be run by Sorc with skills from Lightning tree, is really hard to abolish
Just stun/knockback countess with Telekinesis and your Merc makes mince-meat out of her.

Its hard to disagree with that, but you must admit that a sorc with a lightning attack cuts down on kill time a tad, and over tons of runs this is always a good thing to do...


:xfrosty:

 

[Ice_Wolf]

I will be running a bot, so a merc will not be included on this scenario. This sorc is for mfing as fast as I can, and be able to find the best items that I can. I would prolly wanna run the countess for her runes, but I won't do her if it's not worth it. I know a Bliz/FO sorc would have no problems with non-cold immunes. I have a feeling I'm gonna need two skill trees though. Isn't the pit usually full of cold immunes? Also, what do you guys think about a Bliz/CL sorc? I still think FO/CL would be a great combination.

 

[Sartok]

I believe that this thread will be closed...

Bots are not supported by these forums. Sorry.



:xfrosty:

 

[melianor]

I will be running a bot, so a merc will not be included on this scenario. This sorc is for mfing as fast as I can, and be able to find the best items that I can. I would prolly wanna run the countess for her runes, but I won't do her if it's not worth it. I know a Bliz/FO sorc would have no problems with non-cold immunes. I have a feeling I'm gonna need two skill trees though. Isn't the pit usually full of cold immunes? Also, what do you guys think about a Bliz/CL sorc? I still think FO/CL would be a great combination.

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[Ice_Wolf]

I didn't know you guys were so much against boting in this game. What if I trade items that I didn't get while boting? How am I ever gonna trade on here if I want to? I know a lot of people don't approve of boting, but it seems anymore that's the only way to get items. Anyways, I won't talk about boting in conjunction with an MF sorc.

I wanna go CL/FO but then I thought about it. Shouldn't I get a skill like Blizzard or Meteor for slow moving monsters or Meph like when you get him stuck in the trench thing? Or would those skills be wasted on an MFer? I definitely like how FO works and it is most definitely the best crowd control skill in the game. My other though about doing FO/CL is that there is never a CI/LI monster in the game, but there is FI/CI.

My skills will look something like this:

1 in pre-reqs
Frozen Orb - 20
Cold Mastery - 20
Static Field - 1
Chain Lightning - 20
Lightning - 20
Energy Shield - 5

That was my original plan, but I think the new plan will be better. I'm thinking about doing something more like this:

Ice Bolt - 1
Ice Blast - 1
Frost Nova - 1
Glacial Spike - 1
Blizzard - 20
Cold Mastery - 20
Charged Bolt - 1
Lightning - 20
Chain Lightning - 20
Static Field - 1
Telekinesis - 1
Teleport - 1
Energy Shield - 1 or so

Alright, I decided to try and make a variant of the Damage Reduction Sorc. I won't be putting any of my points into Vitality, and will be using some DR equipment, and some MF equipment. This means I won't have to worry about her dieing all the time. Also, I'm going to have to forget about the armors because I won't have much defense to be worrying about since I'll have MF equipment but maybe I could do like 1 into Frozen Armor. I read that all Lightning Mastery does anymore is reduce the mana cost, but if it does more damage for your spells, then I'll replace Lightning with Lightning Mastery. I won't have any wasted skill points this way, but I may end up scraping Static Field because it won't be used enough because of my skills being able to deal damage. I'll decide later what to put the rest of my skill points into after I get those ones done. What do you think of this build?

 

[melianor]

If you are ever going to make that sorc ork as a dual-tree sorc you will need to put points into Lightning Mastery. There is NO way around that. Read up on m0nk' CL/FO guide in the Sorceress Guide Library.

Lightning tree needs at least 60 pts with 2 killing spells and Lightning Mastery maxed, otherwise those spells won't really deal any significant damage in Hell.

Frozen Orb is fine with just a few points in Cold Mastery.

Also you really seem to have no understanding aout how Sorceresses work. Please read some of the guides in the Sorceress Guide Library.

All those builds there are not the type that will be dieing all the time.

As far as i remember if you go with DR you HAVE to use the exact equipment for ti to work the way it should! There is no way around that.

 

[Ice_Wolf]

Alright, I read through the guides, and I see what you're saying. I think I may do something more along the lines of a Lightning Sorc, then at later levels when she has her main skills, start getting some cold spells so she can deal with LI's. I could do Baal runs till about level 75 or so, then finish off my lightning tree and start my cold. I would only be using cold for when I find LI's, from what I remember not many bosses you take on are LI. If I did find LI bosses, Blizzard or FO would do wonders. Alright, let me do a little re-typing of my skill placement:

Ice Bolt - 1
Ice Blast - 1
Frost Nova - 1
Glacial Spike - 1
Blizzard or Frozen Orb - 20
Cold Mastery - Whatever I got left to use
Charged Bolt - 1
Lightning - 20
Chain Lightning - 20
Lightning Mastery - 20
Warmth - 1
Telekinesis - 1
Teleport - 1
Energy Shield - 1

Alright, well, how do I put this. This build will need a few special equipment items, most of them will be things with + to Lightning Skills. I still don't know if I'm going to use FO or Bliz, I'll just sit on that for a while, but I am leaning more towards FO. Cold Mastery will get whatever points I can spare really. 1 into Energy Shield with plus to skills things should do the job for what I need it to do. Static Field is still a mystery to me, but I have a feeling I ain't gonna wanna use it. I threw Warmth in there instead. Do you think that skill placement is a little better? Sorces are a little more difficult to build compared to other chars because they are heavily skill dependent(obviously).

 

[melianor]

1 into Energy Shield with plus to skills things should do the job for what I need it to do. Static Field is still a mystery to me, but I have a feeling I ain't gonna wanna use it.

Energy Shield will NOT work without 16-20 points into Telekinesis. So for that build just forget about it.

Warmth, like Static Field, Telekinesis, Teleport and either of the Cold Armors only needd one point to be effective.

Static Field is no mystery. With each cast it tries to take 25% of the current monster life and will do so until it reaches the various difficulty boundaries. Ofcourse Lightning Resistance plays a part here too, so it will not always taken 25% most likely.

Blizzard needs synergies, so FO is what you will use.

 

[RetroStar]

I mf with my Blizz Sorc and she does considerably well against Meph and the monkeys that live near the portal. Though I have problems if Ghoul Lords gang up with Meph since they are all Cold Immune

 

[Ice_Wolf]

I read about the spell, and I guess the reason it won't work is because I'd be losing mana too rapidly? Well, from what I can tell, I'm going to go fire instead of lightning. So the only way Energy Shield works anymore is if you have 16-20 in Telekinesis? Is the skill any good at all if it's level 1 with plus to skills? I guess I could always just get Teleport and Telekinesis. Would Static Field be of any use to me? I'm thinking my Fire spells would be doing plenty of damage to not need it. I'm sure I'm going to run into problems with Fire too. I know there's no such thing anymore as going one tree because immunes will be a huge problem. You gotta be able to kill the bosses you're trying to get items from. I get what you mean able the Lightning Tree though. You'd need max Lightning, Chain Lightning, and Lightning Mastery to be able to deal enough damage in hell. The Cold Tree is cheap beacause Frozen Orb has no synergies so you'd need only to max that and Cold Mastery to have it be effective. Fire I could prolly get away with Fireball, Fire Mastery, and some into Firebolt or Meteor. This is one damn hard build.

 

[Ice_Wolf]

I read about the spell, and I guess the reason it won't work is because I'd be losing mana too rapidly? Well, from what I can tell, I'm going to go fire instead of lightning. So the only way Energy Shield works anymore is if you have 16-20 in Telekinesis? Is the skill any good at all if it's level 1 with plus to skills? What would it be that I'm worrying about if I don't have the point into Telekinesis? I guess I could always just get Teleport and Telekinesis. Would Static Field be of any use to me? I'm thinking my Fire spells would be doing plenty of damage to not need it. I'm sure I'm going to run into problems with Fire too. I know there's no such thing anymore as going one tree because immunes will be a huge problem. You gotta be able to kill the bosses you're trying to get items from. I get what you mean able the Lightning Tree though. You'd need max Lightning, Chain Lightning, and Lightning Mastery to be able to deal enough damage in hell. The Cold Tree is cheap beacause Frozen Orb has no synergies so you'd need only to max that and Cold Mastery to have it be effective. Fire I could prolly get away with Fireball, Fire Mastery, and some into Firebolt or Meteor. This is one damn hard build.

 

[Ice_Wolf]

Alright, so I guess I have itfigured out that my original build wasn't going to work. So now I'm wondering, what about something like an Orb/Fireball sorc? I'd have a high damage single enemy spell, and one crowd control spell. I'm not a big fan of Meteor because it's very easy to miss with. Anyways, what do you guys suggest?