MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

ISayPorter

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MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

KylieMinogue the level ** Sorceress

We can rebuild her - we have the technology (thanks IncubatorJones)

Plans to MF Baal, Meph/Council

Gear:
Tal's full set (pTopaz in the Mask)
Shield: Monarch 35% Spirit
Boots: War Traveler
Rings: 30% Nagelring; 25% Ring of Fortune
Gloves: 39% Chance Guards
Charms: Gheed's, couple of 20 life, couple of 7% mf, rest all junk - hints welcome

Merc: Act2 NM Holy Freeze with Insight

Stats:
Strength: I figure I need enough to equip the Spirit shield (156)
Dex: why bother? I'm not going to use Block
Vit: all the rest?
Energy: why bother - merc will keep my mana up, right?

Skills:
Nothing yet :eek:D 99 to play with
I figure:
Lightning Tree
1 Telekenesis
1 Teleport
=2

Fire Tree
Warmth 1
Fire Ball 20 (main attack)
Fire Bolt 20 (synergy)
Meteor 20 (+3 prereqs) (synergy)
=64 total 66

Cold Tree
Frozen Orb 20 (+5 prereqs)
=25 total 91 - 8 to play with

All input gratefully received!
 
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Shanksie1337

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

and static.
and at least 1 point in Fire Mastery.
and probably Magefists for 105 FCR.
 

droid

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

Shield: Monarch 36% Spirit
There's the first problem....you're using a shield that doesnt exist :)

Second...you're a meteorb or an orbitaller, two of the most broken-down builds there are. Check the stickies for everything you could possibly want to know about them and a whole bunch more that you dont want to know.

That being said, the cookie you want to cut is simple. 1 pt wonders in SF, TP, TK, Warmth, max FB and FO, 17 soft points in CM, then either max FO's synergy and Fire Bolt, rest in FM, to be an Orbitaller, or max Meteor, FM, rest in Firebolt, to be Meteorb.


 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

I wouldn't call it broken down, but definitely not a first choice for baal, then again, I'd really only want a pure lite for that anyway.

Your orb will be pretty disappointing in damage, so fire will be your main deal. Just keep in mind you'll be dealing with cold/fires and stuck letting the merc kill. Consider AT or Pit runs as well, easier than Baal and still can drop everything.
 

Noll

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

My frozen orb doesn't suck, with around +10 skills, full tal rasha, and points in the frozen arrow synergy (Is it frozen arrow? I don't have the english version of diablo, I ofc mean the first direct damage cold spell, that gives 2% to FO).

I can kill pretty fast in Hell 2player games. But that's it, I don't plan to kill stuffs in 8 player games.

Fireball is my secondary, and I use it only for cold immunes. Fire Mastery is just 1, no meteor, synergy from fire bolt.
 

TurtleBay

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

My frozen orb doesn't suck, with around +10 skills, full tal rasha, and points in the frozen arrow synergy (Is it frozen arrow? I don't have the english version of diablo, I ofc mean the first direct damage cold spell, that gives 2% to FO).

I can kill pretty fast in Hell 2player games. But that's it, I don't plan to kill stuffs in 8 player games.

Fireball is my secondary, and I use it only for cold immunes. Fire Mastery is just 1, no meteor, synergy from fire bolt.
Note that the original poster specifically mentioned 25 points in the cold tree, therefore no synergy.


 

ISayPorter

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

Yeah, I find Fireball knocks 'em down quite nicely :eek:D
When I've got some decent charms, i.e. a few more +20 lifes and if I can ever afford a Sorc torch, I'll have another look.
Stygian dolls (when teleporting to Mef) still cream me.
Thanks all!
 

TurtleBay

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

Oh, the glaringly obvious thing is that you shouldn't be using chance guards. The primary reason for using a 35 fcr spirit with Tal's set is that you can hit the 105 fcr breakpoint, but ONLY if using magefists. Magefists in for chance guards and then get some socket quests for PTopaz in the armor and Ist in the weapon to keep you near ideal magic find. Also, if you can't afford a sorc torch one charm should be a lower class (Zon, Assn, Druid) torch with <15 stats and 15+ resists (should be really cheap).

Also, you have forgotten to add one point to static field. Much easier to kill baal if he starts from 1/2 hp. Also lets you help Jarulf against the random FI/CI combo bosses.

There is a debate on HF vs. Defiance for the merc. I'm using HF right now but plan to try defiance (yay 1.13) once I up my shaftstop. Will let you know the results.
 

droid

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

Benefit of Defiance: doubles up on physical defense; monsters hit less often, and when they do hit, SS negates 30% of the damage

Benefit of HF: works against elemental monsters, too...Defiance only works against physical attacks.

Personally I like Prayer/Insight merc for Tal sorcs...the double regen keeps your life, your mana, and his life topped off very nicely. And Prayer works while fighting unleechables like undead and act bosses, too, unlike mercs that rely only on LL for healing.
 

interloop

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

Oh, the glaringly obvious thing is that you shouldn't be using chance guards. The primary reason for using a 35 fcr spirit with Tal's set is that you can hit the 105 fcr breakpoint, but ONLY if using magefists. Magefists in for chance guards and then get some socket quests for PTopaz in the armor and Ist in the weapon to keep you near ideal magic find. Also, if you can't afford a sorc torch one charm should be a lower class (Zon, Assn, Druid) torch with <15 stats and 15+ resists (should be really cheap).

Also, you have forgotten to add one point to static field. Much easier to kill baal if he starts from 1/2 hp. Also lets you help Jarulf against the random FI/CI combo bosses.

There is a debate on HF vs. Defiance for the merc. I'm using HF right now but plan to try defiance (yay 1.13) once I up my shaftstop. Will let you know the results.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=769833

I'd use the sockets for survivability enhancement, the MF from full tals + WT50 + Gheeds and a few 7% sc:s is more than enough, imo.


 

droid

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Re: MF with Tal's full set: Reset stats/skills...

you read my thread :)

I'd recommend socketing Tal's for offense, not defense. -5/+X Light Facets are the way to go for CL/FO; -5/+X Fire for Meteorb. You should already have max resists, you dont get hit that much anyway, and 2 armor sockets + 1 weapon socket arent really enough to get a noticeable benefit from defensive sockets like Sol or Ber. You do a lot better increasing your killspeed than increasing your defense.

Assuming softcore, of course...
 
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