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MF sorc/ some cold sorc questions

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  1. Freggy

    Freggy IncGamers Member

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    MF sorc/ some cold sorc questions

    Hi All. Recently i startet playing Diablo2 again..

    startet out getting a Firewalla sorc lvl 75 purely to farm Mephisto..

    but then i saw someone with a blizz sorceres kill meph alot faster+ do ballruns /hell all by himself..

    so i asked him how he did, and he said :

    if you wanna get a Damage bonus to your blizzard, you gotta get the previous Ice skills lvl 20 first..

    so i wondered.. is that true or just bull**** ??

    and aswell: what other then lvl 20 blizz, lvl 20 cold mastery should i get for max damage ? ( and best output of it to do MF) ??

    Thx alot


    (sry if this has been postet before)
     
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    §Hex Vex§ IncGamers Member

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    What I'm thinking is that he was talking about the synergies. If you look near the bottom of the skill description, it'll say an xx % from a spell. That'll increase the base damage I believe? Anyways, what he said was true, but rather vague.

    If your making a blizzard sorc, you would get a lvl 20 blizz, lvl 20 cold mastery, lvl 20 ice blast, lvl 20 glacial spike, and lvl 20 ice bolt. Then, you'd get static, telekenisis, teleport, warmth, and one of the cold armor's if you want.
     
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    thx for the reply..

    what im wondering is.. does it really help to get the other ice skills lvl 20 before getting blizz lvl 20 ?? cause some says it gives a bonus, and some says its bull****..

    Thx again
     
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    I'd get blizzard to level 20 before you start doing any of the other synergies.
     
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    yes, max blizzard first (and get a few points into cold mastery along the way) - but yes putting points into the synergies will really help.
     
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    well i didnt use any points untill lvl 70 so :>.. what i did was getting cold mastery lvl 20 first, then blizzard afterwards.. will that lower my blizz damage alot ??
     
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    yes, I'm afraid it will. A fully synergized build does a lot more damage then one that isn't. Also putting 20 hard points into CM is kinda a waste. There's a cap of -100% to enemy resistance. This happens at level 17 CM. If you have any +skills gear (and you probably have at least a few) then you're probably well past the -100% range.

    I'd suggest reading some of the guides in the sorc library. http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=427018
     
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    so what you say is : max blizz first, then ice blast/bolt etc after ?? cause someone on battle net says max ice bolt etc first :/

    and if anyone have a good setup plz let me know ( dont plan to lvl it,, just be boostet)
     
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    would this give out maximum Dmg output ??

    :


    When to place your points:

    level 1 -
    level 2 - Warmth (1)
    level 3 - ice bolt (1)
    level 4 - ice bolt (2)
    level 5 - ice bolt (3)
    den of evil - ice bolt (4)
    level 6 - ice blast (1)
    level 7 - ice blast (2)
    level 8 - ice blast (3)
    level 9 - ice blast (4)
    level 10 - ice blast (5)
    level 11 - ice blast (6)
    level 12 - shiver armor (1)
    radament - frost nova (1)
    level 13 - ice blast (7)
    level 14 - ice blast (8)
    level 15 - ice blast (9)
    level 16 - ice blast (10)
    level 17 – telekinesis (1)
    level 18 – teleport (1)
    level 19 - glacial spike (1)
    level 20 - ice blast (11)
    level 21 - ice blast (12)
    level 22 - ice blast (13)
    level 23 - ice blast (14)
    level 24 – blizzard (1)
    tyreal - ice blast (15)
    tyreal - ice blast (16)
    level 25 - ice blast (17)
    level 26 - ice blast (18)
    level 27 - ice blast (19)
    level 28 - ice blast (20)
    level 29 – blizzard (1)
    level 30 - cold mastery (1)
    level 31 – blizzard (2)
    level 32 – blizzard (3)
    level 33 – blizzard (4)
    level 34 – blizzard (5)
    level 35 – blizzard (6)
    level 36 – blizzard (7)
    level 37 – blizzard (8)
    level 38 – blizzard (9)
    level 39 – blizzard (10)
    level 40 – blizzard (11)
    level 41 – blizzard (12)
    level 42 – blizzard (13)
    level 43 – blizzard (14)
    level 44 – blizzard (15)
    level 45 – blizzard (16)
    level 46 – blizzard (17)
    level 47 – blizzard (18)
    level 48 – blizzard (19)
    level 49 – blizzard (20)
    level 50 - cold mastery (2)
    level 51 - cold mastery (3)
    level 52 - cold mastery (4)
    level 53 - cold mastery (5)
    level 54 - cold mastery (6)
    level 55 - cold mastery (7)
    level 56 - cold mastery (8)
    level 57 - cold mastery (9)
    level 58 - cold mastery (10)
    level 59 - cold mastery (11)
    level 60 - cold mastery (12)
    level 61 - cold mastery (13)
    level 62 - cold mastery (14)
    level 63 - cold mastery (15)
    level 64 - cold mastery (16)
    level 65 - cold mastery (17)
    level 66 - cold mastery (18)
    level 67 - cold mastery (19)
    level 68 - cold mastery (20)
    level 69 - ice bolt (5) / telekinesis (2)
    level 70 - ice bolt (6) / telekinesis (3)
    level 71 - ice bolt (7) / telekinesis (4)
    level 72 - ice bolt (8) / telekinesis (5)
    level 73 - ice bolt (9) / telekinesis (6)
    level 74 - ice bolt (10) / telekinesis (7)
    level 75 - ice bolt (11) / telekinesis (8)
    level 76 - ice bolt (12) / telekinesis (9)
    level 77 - ice bolt (13) / telekinesis (10)
    level 78 - ice bolt (14) / telekinesis (11)
    level 79 - ice bolt (15) / telekinesis (12)
    level 80 - ice bolt (16) / telekinesis (13)
    level 81 - ice bolt (17) / telekinesis (14)
    level 82 - ice bolt (18) / telekinesis (15)
    level 83 - ice bolt (19) / telekinesis (16)
    level 84 - ice bolt (20) / telekinesis (17)
    level 85 - glacial spike (2) / telekinesis (18)
    level 86 - glacial spike (3) / telekinesis (19)
    level 87 - glacial spike (4) / telekinesis (20)
    level ** - glacial spike (5) / energy shield (1)
    level 89 - glacial spike (6) / ice bolt (5)
    level 90 - glacial spike (7) / ice bolt (6)
    level 91 - glacial spike (8) / ice bolt (7)
    level 92 - glacial spike (9) / ice bolt (8)
    level 93 - glacial spike (10) / ice bolt (9)
    level 94 - glacial spike (11) / ice bolt (10)
    level 96 - glacial spike (12) / ice bolt (11)
    level 97 - glacial spike (13) / ice bolt (12)
    level 98 - glacial spike (14) / ice bolt (13)
    level 99 - glacial spike (15) / ice bolt (14)
    level 100 - glacial spike (16) / ice bolt (15)
    level 101 - glacial spike (17) / ice bolt (16)
    level 102 - glacial spike (18) / ice bolt (17)
    level 103 - glacial spike (19) / ice bolt (18)
    level 104 - glacial spike (20) / ice bolt (19)
    level 105 - ??? / ice bolt(20)
     
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    hmm, level 105? I have a hard time making it past 90. I think there's something else missing here.

    I think you're pretty close, but I'd think that this section should be more like:

    level 24 – blizzard (1)
    tyreal - ice blast (15)
    tyreal - ice blast (16)
    level 25 - blizzard (2)
    level 26 - blizzard (3)
    level 27 - blizzard (4)
    level 28 - blizzard (5)
    level 29 – blizzard (6)
    level 30 - cold mastery (1)
    level 31 – blizzard (7)
    ...continue with blizzard until levlel 20. Then get CM up to level 10 (not much use in going beyond slvl 17). Then resume all the synergies.
     
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    I think what the person meant for the leveling guide was that per level was a skill point. So you should be finished with this build at around level 93 or so? 105-12=93. There we go :)
     
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    but the list i just showed, is that the way for maximun damage on blizz??
     
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    No, you spent a few points outside of blizzard along the way. You also didn't max blizzard as soon as you can. If thing you are concerned with is maximum blizzard damage look at my previous post. Once you start pumping blizzard (at level 24) then keep pumping everythign into it until it's maxed. In your example you went back to ice blast from level 25-29. You'd be better to concentrate on blizzard - come back to ice blast after you're done with cold mastery. You will also get more damge out of your blizzard by limiting your CM and putting points into a synergy. There's limited benifit to pumping your CM over slvl 17.
     
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    Hi again..

    if you can plz try copy/pase the list that i copied in here, with your advice ( doesnt have to be lvl 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 postet, but like,. from 1-15 u take ice bolt. 16-25 its blizzard. etc..) :D ^^


    sry if im too annoying.
     
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    im Lvl 81 now. so i have 80 points ( without any quests done)..

    so would : lvl20 ice Bolt, lvl 20 Ice Blast, lvl 20 Glacial spike. LVl 20 blizzard max out my dmg ? or should i take some Cm before i max synergies ?? :D


    Thx
     
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    I really don't see any need of maxing CM, especially before the rest synergies. You'll regret later when you find that you've put more than enough points into CM.
    With a conserative build assuming no cold skiller or anni, you can get +17 skills from +2 helm, +3 orb, +2 armor, +2 ammy, +2 shield, +2 rings, +1 belt and +3 torch. That means you'll get -105 enemy cold resist with just 1 point in CM.
    Hell meph has 75 cold resist, so you'll need additional -70 enemry cold resist. How do you get that is your own choice. You could add another 14 points into CM, but that's still only 15 points in CM in total. I'd rather use one of the following instead to save those precious 14 points for something else:
    - Use an Infinity merc. -85 enemy resist is more than enough. This is definitely my favorite.
    - Use a Lower Resist wand on switch. Lvl3 is the highest you can get on a wand, which is -41. So you'll need additional 5-6 points into CM.
    - Socket items with cold facets, -5 enemy cold resist each. So each facet saves you one point in CM.
    - Just live with lvl18 CM, not the fastest for killing meph, but only a few seconds difference. You only get temp-banned more often if you kill meph too fast anyway:smiley:.
     
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    Thx for the Reply..

    i am expecting to get torch,anni,soj,cold skillers. etc when i can ( not 100% sure about Soj).. and i wasnt really expecting to max out CM.. so i could probably live with 15 CM or something near that for a start atleast.. so go for : 20 ice bolt, 20 ice blast, 20 glacial spike, 20 blizzard, 15cm, and then 1 point in tele,warmth, etc :) ^^

    now should i max out the synergies first, then max blizz, then cm, or what order plz ?

    how does that sound ? ( sry for asking that many questions. but i ****ed up 2 cold sorcs allready) :D

    and with 20cm my brother kills Meph in exactly 2 sec with blizz.. so i kinda expect to kill him just as fast ( even with 15-18 cm)..

    thx again :)
     
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    I'm so lazy these days that I always rush a char to lvl90 with 101 unused skill points before I start to think about allocation, so order is rarely a problem for me.
    Now as you said, you're already lvl81. If you spend an hour and do all the skill quests, you'll have 92 skill points to spend in total. With one point in Warmth, Static, Telekinesis, Teleport Frozen Armor and CM, you'll still have 86 points left, which means you can max ice bolt, ice blast, glacial spike and blizzard all at once, so why are you so worried about the order?
    I'd say put 1 point in CM initially and always leave the rest to the end, so you know exactly how many points you need there with your end-game gears. Remember that -100 cold resist is the cap, so you won't regret later for putting too many points into CM.
     
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    reason why im worried is that i hear alot ppl say, if you put your skills in a special order u will get a % bonus to Damage :) hence why i ask so many questions :D

    but thx, i'll do the quests, max out first : ice bolt, ice blast, glacial spike, blizzard. 1 point in tele,telekine,warth, etc. and use rest points in Cm. and then get it to 15-18 as soon as i can.. hope its the right thing :D
     
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    the order doesn't matter, just the end result. I'd also stop your CM at about level 10. Slvl 17 will get all the 0% resist monsters to -100% enemy resistance. Slvl 27 will get all the 50% resist monsters to -100% enemy cold resist. There's very little reason to go over Slvl 27 - even for a Meph runner, I'd still stop at 27 after all your gear, factets, anni and torch. That will leave you some room if you want to add skillers, but killing meph in 2 vs. 2.5 seconds isn't real important. I'd rather spends the points elsewhere. But if you are going for only cold spells and only for a meph runner, then I suppose you could go higher - but those points will be wasted on just about every other monster in the game.
     

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