Melee

HappyAssassin

Diabloii.Net Member
The definition of melee that people who run leagues follow is NOT the definition found in the dictionary. Whirlwind and smite most certainly fall under the dictionary definition. And yes, the melee leagues do ban those skills because they do not want to fight against those characters. It's not a "sad excuse," it's the way those people most enjoying diablo pvp. It's a totally different style of play from that of the more general pvp population, but that doesn't make it worse.

Melee leagues are designed to be compedative, and as a result the compeditors pick those classes which give them a good chance to win if they play well. Zealers, Kickers, Jabbers, Concentration Barbs, Zerkers and to a lesser extent Shapeshifters (I say a lesser extent because rabies gives them a chance) are all helpless against smiters. Smiters and WW Barbs are by FAR the best of the dictionary definition melee chars out there. In a compedative setting, no one is going to choose a class that has no chance vs. a large part of the playing field. Since melee league players don't want to play in a smite vs. smite league, they make rules to keep the characters in their leagues balanced. It's notable that some leagues don't ban smite, they ban grief, again with the intention of giving other classes a chance. Again, it's more about a different way of enjoying the game than protecting melee duelers egos. Anyone who's melee dueling has been playing long enough to know that a grief smiter would beat their char anyway.
 

Kiba

Diabloii.Net Member
Fury Wolf not Fury Rabies wolf for Melee.

Fury Rabie wolf with 13k ar is not gonna kill a high defense zealer as good as a Pure fury wolf that can stack his attack rating anywhere from 30k to 50k.

And besides rabies is bad mannered in gm melee duels just like smite and that barbarian ballerina dance.
 

HappyAssassin

Diabloii.Net Member
Jake your sig is one of the strangest things Ive ever seen.

Er, forgot to reply. Wouldn't a rabies wolf that just hits and walks away work better vs. a zealer? Either way, I guess some would call it BM, though kicksins use wake of fire + MB sometimes in GM melee. Different leagues have different rules.
 

SicHalo

Diabloii.Net Member
i can see the logic behind Happy's response as ww and smite are the most dominating skills in mele duel and other builds simply will not stand much of a chance turning a mele league into a smite or ww barb leage with a few acceptions. And some of he build mentioned do not having a fighting chance vs whirlwind or smite.
 

hardnfast

Diabloii.Net Member
Perhaps limiting the attack speed of smite to 8 fpa or limiting ww hit checks would help balance things abit.
 

Majaii

Diabloii.Net Member
I have just barely started to pvp, but my pvp char, a wolfbarb, did fairly decent against some melee players, including exile/grief smiters (very rare that i won though) and ww barbs, which were also very hard. Concentration, zealers, melee sins were almost never a problem for me. I could also beat most shapeshifters that i ran across. I doubt i played anyone very good however, but considering how bad I am, i think the wolfbarb could do pretty well, and can also own most casters given the right equipment.

-Majai
 

SicHalo

Diabloii.Net Member
I have just barely started to pvp, but my pvp char, a wolfbarb, did fairly decent against some melee players, including exile/grief smiters (very rare that i won though) and ww barbs, which were also very hard. Concentration, zealers, melee sins were almost never a problem for me. I could also beat most shapeshifters that i ran across. I doubt i played anyone very good however, but considering how bad I am, i think the wolfbarb could do pretty well, and can also own most casters given the right equipment.

-Majai
no decent caster should lose to a wolf of any kind period. I am also supprised ur able to even stand up to a smiter especially exile/based even zealer ww barbs are a nightmare for these.

I mean fury/rabies could possibly beat a smiter using the rabies bite then walk but... as mentioned rabies is not legal in pure mele gm duels but then again neither is smite...



 

Majaii

Diabloii.Net Member
Smiters are very hard for my wolfbarb, and like i said i almost always lose to them, standing up just means i gave them a run for their money. Casters were pretty easy, except for mindblast/lighting sentry sins. Keep in mind that my FRW is huge, and i can desynch while running. I pretty much only have to catch a caster once, because even if my first hit or two doesn't kill, my attack is 4 fpa and can stunlock. Also keep in mind this was pretty much pubs, so they probably had low FHR. Too put it in perspective though, i can outrun a zons GA, which is why i could beat casters. Maybe i just played really bad casters :tongue:

-Majaii
 

Kiba

Diabloii.Net Member
Smiters are very hard for my wolfbarb, and like i said i almost always lose to them, standing up just means i gave them a run for their money. Casters were pretty easy, except for mindblast/lighting sentry sins. Keep in mind that my FRW is huge, and i can desynch while running. I pretty much only have to catch a caster once, because even if my first hit or two doesn't kill, my attack is 4 fpa and can stunlock. Also keep in mind this was pretty much pubs, so they probably had low FHR. Too put it in perspective though, i can outrun a zons GA, which is why i could beat casters. Maybe i just played really bad casters :tongue:

-Majaii

I doubt you can out run a amazons guided arrows unless you have feral rage always charged or Harmony on switch then you can of course.



 

Majaii

Diabloii.Net Member
I'd put on an enigma, and load up on FRW charms, and i could do it then. Oh and cats eye too. There's also a video on youtube of a wolfbarb outrunning GA, i think it was posted here somewhere, but i have no idea what he was wearing.

-Majaii
 

kykle

Diabloii.Net Member
ww>smite>rest

a bvb can beat all mele classes with a bit of a problem vs smite however with gear change this can be beat as well.

fury/rabies can be good but even this get taken apart by smite etc
smite>ww - my average smiter can take apart a godly ww barb 9 times out of 10, you just have to stand still and make them come to you


 

A Redneck

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HA! smiter's that stand still get smashed even by my BvB with a sheild.. they mabey hit me 2 times and 3 ww they where dead best smiter i have ever dueled was on west nl and his name was "Dent" lvl 94 one lvl higher then my BvB and it was 50/50 on win's/ lose's WW>Smite
 

kykle

Diabloii.Net Member
most smiters u duel probably have a pb, which has less range then your weapon - if they use a zerker you get hit a lot more
 

Kiba

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I'd put on an enigma, and load up on FRW charms, and i could do it then. Oh and cats eye too. There's also a video on youtube of a wolfbarb outrunning GA, i think it was posted here somewhere, but i have no idea what he was wearing.

-Majaii
Yah but he was only able to out run guided arrows with harmony on.

It's almost impossible to outrun them with out harmony.



 

Majaii

Diabloii.Net Member
Yah but he was only able to out run guided arrows with harmony on.

It's almost impossible to outrun them with out harmony.
Well, i wont argue with you kiba :grin: Maybe i remembered wrong, cause i did get hit sometimes, i just remembered outrunning them until I messed up and hit a bad patch of ground or something. Anyways, just trying to say I liked the wolfbarb, i will probably do another one on Ladder if i ever get that far, or maybe a pure fury wolf if not, as im partial to wolves.

-Majaii



 
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