Melee
- Thread starter Vadimas
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Smiters, Barbarians, Javazons, Fireclaw bears, Rabies/fury wolves, and assassins are all pretty equal as the "Best melee." I might be missing some but all are pretty vicious in melee. Each can take out the other with little effort and it all comes down to playstyle and who you're fighting.
mainaman
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smiters and ww barbs are not considered melee,
smiter has unblockable attack, ww is moving attack, assasin would be melee only if kicker imo. pretty much top melee char is a zealer/ conc barb
Uncle_Mike
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Using the search function is always advised, there are even fireclaw bear guides out there :wink3:
Just look in the druid forum.
soul killer
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BvB is the undisputed king of Melee duels.
TheBassman
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One Rabies and watch that barbs life suck a big one.
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Hah, I hope you are not seriously up to that opinion?
As per definition, mêlée means close combat. Thus, even WW barbs and Smiters are melee.
People who consider them to be melee usually fail to categorize them to anywhere else, because the two main categories are casters, ranged and melee. Now, barbarians and smiters surely are not casters, nor ranged. So, what is left?
The ones saying that Smiters and WW barbarians are not melee usually say so to avoid dueling those classes. It's quite a sad excuse, I would say.
Exactly. That's how I view it. Just because they're moving and attack it's still in "melee" range and it's still using "melee" weapons. As for barb v barb undisputed melee kings? Sorry, but my fireclaw takes them out in 1-2 hits. Why? No fire resist. As for their high defense? In wolf form I can still hit them. In fact sorbing bvcs are more dangerous than a bvb. Sure I'm using elemental but I still consider myself melee. I use my claws :smiley:
hardnfast
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My BvB with standard bvb gear has maxed fire resist. I don't think I've died to any melee character in 1-2 hits.
hardnfast
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True, a heavy does of rabies could do it. I can't say I've ever had a fury wolf come in and bust up a bvb game though. Thats usually a job reserved for a trapsin or smiter.
Ever fought a fireclaw druid? The reason why I said that is because unless someone stacks resists/absorbs they go down anywhere from 1-4 hits considering that I do about 13,000 fire damage. I also attack at 4fpa in bear form, have shockwave, or if need be can go in wolf form for the attack rating to hit more often. I haven't met a barbarian that has beaten me more times than I've beaten him.
Am I saying fireclaw is better? Not at all but I am saying that we can fight on equal grounds. I'd do even better if I finished my two hander to use for range. Oh, also with max block/max damage reduction + 7000 hp (I understand that there's barbs with more) I don't go down as fast as some other builds. Sometimes wolf form + feral rage for the speed is very useful against barbarians.
The only melee that can really ruffle my feathers are smiters with exile/dracs. That combo is very hard to beat. I have a 65-85% chance of a loss if this combo is employed. I have beaten smiters that choose hoz/pheonix atleast 50% of the time so I'm very good at competing with the top melee builds. That's why I refuse to acknowledge a build that's king :tongue:
hardnfast
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I have dueled a fireclaws bear before, if your on uswest I'll duel you, pm me an account I can reach you at :thumbsup:
Not be be a meanie, but a BvB has anywhere from 5000 to near-6000 life.
Now, if you look at your 13,000 damage, after PvP penalty it turns out to be 2210. Now, with 75% FR, it ends up being 552.5 damage per hit. Now, 5000 / 552.5 = 9.05, so it would take 9-10 hits to kill a crap BvB who has 75% FR. Now, take 5900 life, that would mean 11 hits.
So stop pulling numbers out of nothing and do some calculations for a change.
Arutha
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Any private melee ladders or tournaments will have this listed in the rules (this was copy and pasted from the rules section of one):
- All stand-still melee attacks that cause pure physical damage, require attack rating to hit, and don't knock back an opponent are allowed.
Well, that's a bit different. At least that classifies Smite and Whirlwind as melee. But there are people who claim Smite and Whirlwind are not melee for no apparent reason. Some claim that Smite is not melee because of ITD and ITB, some claim WW is not melee because it's moving.
Quite foolish.
Sorry, I am on use east :cry:. Anyway, you're right, I didn't bother to do any calculations. Perhaps they had slightly less resists than I thought. I still don't think even with them doing slightly higher it'll give me a 100% loss rate regardless. Hell, I'd still have decent chances of winning. Considering I'm not the best fireclaw bear out there I was just giving an example showing that we can compete.