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McCain advocates sending more US troops to Iraq. Demos call for draft

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  1. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

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    McCain advocates sending more US troops to Iraq. Demos call for draft

    From the Associated Press:

    How about it hawks? Do you think this is the winning strategy for the war? Do you support his plan?


    If so, then I am sure you will support this:

    Makes perfect sense doesn't it? :evil:

    Ya, I know ... this bill has come up before and never passed. The difference today is that the Democrats now control both the House and Senate. Bush won't sign it ... but "President McCain" might be obligated to do so in order to implement his "plan".

    Personally speaking to the hawks on this board, If McCain is elected, I hope they draft your ***. After all, it would only be your just dessert.





    In conclusion, just remember this:


    Have a nice day,

    Llad
     
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    Americans = so ****ing owned! :laugh:

    How do these people keep getting elected? You just can't live without pain and abuse or something?
     
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    Is a draft actually a possibility?

    I listened to a download on my mp3 player the other day that I had taken from one of the major American news broadcasters (I can't remember which but I have taken to downloading from Fox/CNN/ABC etc. just to get a taster of American news). It was an interview with someone who had just written a book advocating the introduction of a draft in America (I can't remember his name or the books name unfortunately).

    I was surprised to say the least, a draft just would not be tolerated over here but this guy was deadly serious about the possibility (I think he stated it would pretty much be a necessity). So coming back to my question, is this likely?
     
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    To me this looks more like a political move than anything else. The Dems know (I hope) that if they pass the draft, they may as well save their money next election. Bush certainly won't sign it, and if McCain does (or doesn't), he's out of luck. But he's better off not signing it and coming up with a better plan while leaving the Dems begging for mercy in 2010 if he wins in 08 if that's the case.

    I don't support the war, nor do I think military action is the way to win in Iraq at the moment, but if I'm drafted, I will serve. And send McCain a nice batch of letters too.
     
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    Mandatory military service?

    I don't see how Rangel can support a draft without re-enlisting himself. He's being quite the hypocrite.
     
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    Well, I know who I'm certainly never voting for. I almost wish more politicians made it so easy for me.
     
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    McCain may have just cost himself the selection to run for President. It all depends what the party decides to do come election time - try to change tack or just keep pushing the same line - they seem to be in a real quandary at the moment. I was going to mention Kissinger's comments myself.

    As for the draft stuff, that's political suicide in the present climate. Maybe you could've gotten away with it at the start of the war when sentiments were high, but now? Don't make me laugh.

    Someone's living in la-la land.

    I don't think the army is so desperate that they'd accept the re-enlistment of a 76 year old.



     
  8. diablo loves donutz

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    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< John Kerry

    "What did you say your GPA was?.....4.3??? I'm sorry son, you're much to smart to go to Iraq and unless you drop that to....ehhhh....1.4 we can't let you go...":rolleyes:



     
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    Oh, hiya, pinky.
    Hard to say. More troops will definitely help our situation on the ground, but it also runs the risk of encouraging Iraqi welfare-state mentality. And I have to say, it seems like that's becoming an issue after all (much to my chagrin).
    I can't really say I do, but at the same time I find it hard to argue with Ben Stein coming to approximately the same conclusion (Stein said something like we've got 2 divisions chasing less than 5000 people, and that we have been trying to do war on the cheap. This is against the Powell doctrine, which is no more than the Principles facet of "Mass")

    Rangel has more cojones than almost all you Democrats (Bronze Star & Purple Heart, not self-inflicted), even if he's a hypocritical whack-job. However, he's confusing a basic issue, deliberately or otherwise. The solution to troop levels is to hire more troops (DUUH!!), not force them to join the military. Nobody is bothering to examine the facts here, and are relying on sheer hyperbole instead. We reactivate a couple more divisions, pay some re-up bonuses and headhunter fees, and bingo! - problem solved.

    Oh, noes, instead we've got to invoke spectral daemons of "Johnnie goes marching home" and class warfare to rile the torpid U.S. electorate!!

    Yeah, yeah, I go fight for your right to party (again). Heard it before, limo-lad. Problem with conservatives is that they're not irresponsible enough to let you reap what you've sown.
    I think I'll take strawberry shortcake, thanks.



     
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    If there's a draft, there's going to be a whole lot of angry people out there. Both Conservatives and Democrats.
     
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    haha, yup :)



     
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    Yeah, because America has tonnes of money lying around that hasn't been glommed up by Iraq already.



     
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    Awesome that you saw McCain last week on Meet the Press. He made a pretty good case for sending in more troops - in 2003. It might have worked then. Unfortunately, we went with the minimalist approach. While interesting in home decor, it's not exactly useful in The War on Vague Nouns.

    As for the draft, I reckon it's a pretty good idea. Except for some of those wacky Socialist countries like Finland, Germany and Sverige do it. And they're totally about to capitulate to foreign religious nutballs. I mean, talking to a Finnish Jedi is just ****ed up.
     
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    If there's a draft, the Canadian population is going to experience a bump.

    I can just picture the Minutemen stopping Americans from crossing over into Canada. Y'know, just in case they're draft dodgers?

    Is it wrong of me to hope this happens just so I can see how it turns out?
     
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    Not at all, in fact, I wouldn't mind myself to grab a lawn chair, crack open a beer, and just watch the fun from a distance...:azn:



     
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    Well I think Bill Gates on page one did a good job at summing up my thoughts.

    The only way to win is to fight with greater resolve. Oh that there can be no doubt. What the insurgents are willing to do to win and what the U.S. is willing (at present) to do are on 2 totally different levels. Public relations in the west would bury the U.S. (even more) if they took up the tactics of insurgents. Insurgents don't have the problem of bad PR and thus have a free hand. Can the U.S. win? Of course they can. Will they pay the price of victory? I'm not too sure they will.

    But I do think there is something to McCain's plan that you're missing. Get a load of troops in fast to quiet things down for a bit and get a lot more trainers in to prepare the Iraqi forces and get their numbers up as fast as possible. Once that's in place you can do a massive pullout and leave security in the Iraqi's hands. In the long run his plan will get troops out faster.
     
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    LOL. Yes, you and JM are going to be the best of friends.

    Heh, if American military minds think the same way you do then it's no wonder you keep losing wars against pathetic opponents. I'd try to elucidate you, but of course you still think of international politics and warfare in terms of kids fighting in a schoolyard, so what's the point? Let me know when you are ready to eat at the grown-ups' table.



     
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    I love their fries, especially the kind that are all crinkly..mmmmm fries
     
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    Oven baked are awful. Deep fried only.
     
  20. llad12

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    Keep throwing money & troops at the problem 'eh?

    Some that never learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Hey Hey LBJ, how many kids you killed today?



     
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