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Maximizing Your Meteor Damage Each Level (Guide)

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  1. Bootz24

    Bootz24 IncGamers Member

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    Maximizing Your Meteor Damage Each Level (Guide)

    Ever wonder which is the IDEAL way to speed each precious skill point to harness the maximum damage possible per level?

    It's actually quite simple.

    (1) The most bang for your buck is to MAX Meteor first.

    From level 1 through 8 you average 27.5 damage gain per level

    From level 9 through 16 you average 45.0 damage gain per level

    From level 17 through 20 you average 89.0 damage gain per level

    From level 23 through 30 one can extrapolate a 115.3 damage gain per level


    (2) You will NOT want to put any extra points into Fireball outside of the prerequisite at this time. Once you hit level 30 you will want to spend your extra points(anything available AFTER keeping your Meteor at max per clvl) in this order:


    Fire Mastery (slvl 1)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 2)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 3)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 4)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 5)
    Fireball (slvl 2)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 6)
    Fireball (slvl 3)
    Fire Mastery (slvl 7)
    Fireball (slvl 4)

    ... repeat until Mastery is Maxxed. Then pour the rest into Fireball.


    Why? Where did I come up with these numbers?

    Here is a table showing you the % INCREASE IN DAMAGE from a base lvl 20 Meteor using Fireball (or Bolt) and Fire Mastery. Since Mastery increases the damage AFTER Synergies are applied, you will see those numbers reflected in this table as well.


    Hope this helps you get the most of your Meteor!


    Bootz
     
  2. Loboleal

    Loboleal IncGamers Member

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    That table suposes that you don't place points into meteor synergies before maxxing Meteor, but that is inacurate. You can place points in Meteor's synergies from level 1, what makes your Meteor do more damage.
    This is the Best skill placement for maxxing Meteor's damage every level:

    Code:
     Skill Placement    Met FMa FBa FBo   Clvl        Damage       Comments
    ------------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------ -----------------
    No skill points      0   0   0   0   (Clvl:  1)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  2)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   2   (Clvl:  3)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   3   (Clvl:  4)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   4   (Clvl:  5)  Dmg: 0.0     
    (Inferno)            0   0   0   4   (Clvl:  6)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   5   (Clvl:  7)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   6   (Clvl:  8)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   7   (Clvl:  9)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   8   (Clvl: 10)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   9   (Clvl: 11)  Dmg: 0.0     
    (Blaze)              0   0   0   9   (Clvl: 12)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   1   9   (Clvl: 13)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   2   9   (Clvl: 14)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   3   9   (Clvl: 15)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   4   9   (Clvl: 16)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   5   9   (Clvl: 17)  Dmg: 0.0     
    (FireWall)           0   0   5   9   (Clvl: 18)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   6   9   (Clvl: 19)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   7   9   (Clvl: 20)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   8   9   (Clvl: 21)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0   9   9   (Clvl: 22)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBa                  0   0  10   9   (Clvl: 23)  Dmg: 0.0     
    Met                  1   0  10   9   (Clvl: 24)  Dmg: 214.5   
    Met                  2   0  10   9   (Clvl: 25)  Dmg: 267.1   
    Met                  3   0  10   9   (Clvl: 26)  Dmg: 321.8   
    Met                  4   0  10   9   (Clvl: 27)  Dmg: 374.4   
    Met                  5   0  10   9   (Clvl: 28)  Dmg: 429.0   
    Met                  6   0  10   9   (Clvl: 29)  Dmg: 481.6   
    FMas                 6   1  10   9   (Clvl: 30)  Dmg: 626.1   
    Met                  7   1  10   9   (Clvl: 31)  Dmg: 697.1   
    Met                  8   1  10   9   (Clvl: 32)  Dmg: 765.6   
    Met                  9   1  10   9   (Clvl: 33)  Dmg: 879.6   
    Met                 10   1  10   9   (Clvl: 34)  Dmg: 993.7   
    Met                 11   1  10   9   (Clvl: 35)  Dmg: 1107.8  
    Met                 12   1  10   9   (Clvl: 36)  Dmg: 1221.9  
    Met                 13   1  10   9   (Clvl: 37)  Dmg: 1338.5  
    Met                 14   1  10   9   (Clvl: 38)  Dmg: 1452.6  
    Met                 15   1  10   9   (Clvl: 39)  Dmg: 1566.6  
    Met                 16   1  10   9   (Clvl: 40)  Dmg: 1680.7  
    Met                 17   1  10   9   (Clvl: 41)  Dmg: 1906.3  
    Met                 18   1  10   9   (Clvl: 42)  Dmg: 2131.9  
    Met                 19   1  10   9   (Clvl: 43)  Dmg: 2357.6  
    Met                 20   1  10   9   (Clvl: 44)  Dmg: 2583.2  
    FMas                20   2  10   9   (Clvl: 45)  Dmg: 2722.3  
    FMas                20   3  10   9   (Clvl: 46)  Dmg: 2861.4  
    FMas                20   4  10   9   (Clvl: 47)  Dmg: 3000.4  
    FMas                20   5  10   9   (Clvl: 48)  Dmg: 3139.5  
    FMas                20   6  10   9   (Clvl: 49)  Dmg: 3278.6  
    FMas                20   7  10   9   (Clvl: 50)  Dmg: 3417.7  
    FMas                20   8  10   9   (Clvl: 51)  Dmg: 3556.8  
    FMas                20   9  10   9   (Clvl: 52)  Dmg: 3695.9  
    FMas                20  10  10   9   (Clvl: 53)  Dmg: 3835.0  
    FMas                20  11  10   9   (Clvl: 54)  Dmg: 3974.1  
    FMas                20  12  10   9   (Clvl: 55)  Dmg: 4113.2  
    FMas                20  13  10   9   (Clvl: 56)  Dmg: 4252.3  
    FMas                20  14  10   9   (Clvl: 57)  Dmg: 4391.4  
    FMas                20  15  10   9   (Clvl: 58)  Dmg: 4530.5  
    FMas                20  16  10   9   (Clvl: 59)  Dmg: 4669.6  
    FMas                20  17  10   9   (Clvl: 60)  Dmg: 4808.7  
    FMas                20  18  10   9   (Clvl: 61)  Dmg: 4947.8  
    FMas                20  19  10   9   (Clvl: 62)  Dmg: 5086.8  
    FMas                20  20  10   9   (Clvl: 63)  Dmg: 5225.9  
    FBa                 20  20  11   9   (Clvl: 64)  Dmg: 5359.9  
    FBa                 20  20  12   9   (Clvl: 65)  Dmg: 5493.9  
    FBa                 20  20  13   9   (Clvl: 66)  Dmg: 5627.9  
    FBa                 20  20  14   9   (Clvl: 67)  Dmg: 5761.9  
    FBa                 20  20  15   9   (Clvl: 68)  Dmg: 5895.9  
    FBa                 20  20  16   9   (Clvl: 69)  Dmg: 6029.9  
    FBa                 20  20  17   9   (Clvl: 70)  Dmg: 6163.9  
    FBa                 20  20  18   9   (Clvl: 71)  Dmg: 6297.9  
    FBa                 20  20  19   9   (Clvl: 72)  Dmg: 6431.9  
    FBa                 20  20  20   9   (Clvl: 73)  Dmg: 6565.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  10   (Clvl: 74)  Dmg: 6699.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  11   (Clvl: 75)  Dmg: 6833.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  12   (Clvl: 76)  Dmg: 6967.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  13   (Clvl: 77)  Dmg: 7101.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  14   (Clvl: 78)  Dmg: 7235.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  15   (Clvl: 79)  Dmg: 7369.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  16   (Clvl: 80)  Dmg: 7503.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  17   (Clvl: 81)  Dmg: 7637.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  18   (Clvl: 82)  Dmg: 7771.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  19   (Clvl: 83)  Dmg: 7905.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  20   (Clvl: 84)  Dmg: 8039.9  
    ------------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------ -----------------
     Skill Placement    Met FMa FBa FBo   Clvl        Damage       Comments
    
     
  3. melianor

    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Right, but if you head for a Meteorb build you will miss some precious points to boost your Frozen Orb once you hit lvl 30 8)

    For a pure fireb-build or if you max fire first this would be ideal though.
     
  4. sasja

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    Remember that you're only optimising Meteor's impact damage - the burning damage is completely ignored. That's ok for a dual tree sorc or a Fire Ball sorc, but this seems to be aimed at a pure Meteor sorc who should seriously consider putting some points in Inferno.
     
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    why inferno =X
     
  6. melianor

    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    inferno is a synergy to Meteor:
    Inferno: +3% Average Fire Damage Per Second Per Level

    Which makes that firecarpet which is left after the Meteor impact even more deadly 8)
     
  7. Bootz24

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    Not true Loboleal. With my skill allocations at Clvl 57, one would have used:

    3 non-synergy prereqs (Inferno, Blaze and Firewall)
    20 pts into Meteor
    18 pts into Mastery
    15 pts into Synergies


    ...yielding 4444.0 damage

    Your 57th clvl yields 4391.4 damage

    I also came up with this chart while working on my Meteorb. Indirectly, my chart allows one to save 16 points for Orb by lvl 30.

    Pre lvl 24, a character would need to place the following:

    At level 24. one would have 23 skill pts, 4 from quests = 27


    Warmth (presumably)
    Firebolt
    Inferno
    Fireball
    Firewall
    Meteor (lvl 24)

    Icebolt
    Iceblast
    Glacial Spike
    Frost Nove
    Blizzard

    Thus 16 skill points would remain at level 30 for your Orb, while still allowing 1 point for Meteor each level from 24th on.

    In theory this point allocation at level 45 (8 quest pts - Act4 NM) would leave you with :

    Level 12 Frozen Orb
    Level 4 Cold Mastery
    Level 20 Meteor
    Level 4 Fire Mastery
    Level 2 in Synergies

    Meteor Damage = 1693
    Frozen Orb Damage = 158-163


    From here on out you would use my chart as demonstarted:
    http://www.geocities.com/bootz24/meteor.html


    Boots
     
  8. Loboleal

    Loboleal IncGamers Member

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    Ok, I realize what is happening here. There isn't a single way for distribute skill points for maximise damage and I will explain why?.

    My distribution follows a greedy method that starts at point (0,0,0,0) and tries to reach (20,20,20,20) following the path that maximizes damage increase at each level. So, taking an example, at Clvl 24 (first point in Meteor) I get more damage than you because I used more points in synergies.
    With this method I take the path for max Meteor damage at early levels, but I realize that maybe is not the best solution. I think the best solution trying to maximize damage at later levels when a higher damage is required.
    So, I will change a litle my algorithm.
    Instead of start at (0,0,0,0) I will start at (20,20,20,20) and I will remove points minizing decrease of damage. That way I will follow the path where damage is maximum at later levels.

    I'll try to post my results later.
     
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    Loboleal IncGamers Member

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    I've got the results and now it looks more like yours

    Code:
     Skill Placement    Met FMa FBa FBo   Clvl        Damage       Comments
    ------------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------ -----------------
    No skill points      0   0   0   0   (Clvl:  1)  Dmg: 0.0     
    FBo                  0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  2)  Dmg: 0.0     
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  3)  Dmg: 0.0     1 Unused point
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  4)  Dmg: 0.0     2 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  5)  Dmg: 0.0     3 Unused points
    (Inferno)            0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  6)  Dmg: 0.0     3 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  7)  Dmg: 0.0     4 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  8)  Dmg: 0.0     5 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl:  9)  Dmg: 0.0     6 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl: 10)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   0   1   (Clvl: 11)  Dmg: 0.0     8 Unused points
    (Blaze) FBa          0   0   1   1   (Clvl: 12)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    FBa                  0   0   2   1   (Clvl: 13)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    FBa                  0   0   3   1   (Clvl: 14)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    FBa                  0   0   4   1   (Clvl: 15)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    FBa                  0   0   5   1   (Clvl: 16)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    FBa                  0   0   6   1   (Clvl: 17)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    (FireWall) FBa       0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 18)  Dmg: 0.0     6 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 19)  Dmg: 0.0     7 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 20)  Dmg: 0.0     8 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 21)  Dmg: 0.0     9 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 22)  Dmg: 0.0     10 Unused points
    Unused               0   0   7   1   (Clvl: 23)  Dmg: 0.0     11 Unused points
    Met                  1   0   7   1   (Clvl: 24)  Dmg: 154.0   11 Unused points
    Met                  2   0   7   1   (Clvl: 25)  Dmg: 191.8   11 Unused points
    Met                  3   0   7   1   (Clvl: 26)  Dmg: 231.0   11 Unused points
    Met                  4   0   7   1   (Clvl: 27)  Dmg: 268.8   11 Unused points
    Met                  5   0   7   1   (Clvl: 28)  Dmg: 308.0   11 Unused points
    Met                  6   0   7   1   (Clvl: 29)  Dmg: 345.8   11 Unused points
    Met FMas             7   1   7   1   (Clvl: 30)  Dmg: 500.5   10 Unused points
    Met FMas             8   2   7   1   (Clvl: 31)  Dmg: 579.2   9 Unused points
    Met FMas             9   3   7   1   (Clvl: 32)  Dmg: 699.6   8 Unused points
    Met FMas            10   4   7   1   (Clvl: 33)  Dmg: 828.7   7 Unused points
    Met FMas            11   5   7   1   (Clvl: 34)  Dmg: 966.6   6 Unused points
    Met FMas            12   6   7   1   (Clvl: 35)  Dmg: 1113.4  5 Unused points
    Met FMas            13   7   7   1   (Clvl: 36)  Dmg: 1271.4  4 Unused points
    Met FMas            14   8   7   1   (Clvl: 37)  Dmg: 1435.9  3 Unused points
    Met FMas            15   9   7   1   (Clvl: 38)  Dmg: 1609.3  2 Unused points
    Met FMas            16  10   7   1   (Clvl: 39)  Dmg: 1791.4  1 Unused point
    Met FMas            17  11   7   1   (Clvl: 40)  Dmg: 2105.6  
    Met                 18  11   7   1   (Clvl: 41)  Dmg: 2354.8  
    Met                 19  11   7   1   (Clvl: 42)  Dmg: 2604.0  
    Met                 20  11   7   1   (Clvl: 43)  Dmg: 2853.2  
    FBa                 20  11   8   1   (Clvl: 44)  Dmg: 2955.1  
    FMas                20  12   8   1   (Clvl: 45)  Dmg: 3058.5  
    FBa                 20  12   9   1   (Clvl: 46)  Dmg: 3164.0  
    FMas                20  13   9   1   (Clvl: 47)  Dmg: 3271.0  
    FBa                 20  13  10   1   (Clvl: 48)  Dmg: 3380.0  
    FMas                20  14  10   1   (Clvl: 49)  Dmg: 3490.6  
    FBa                 20  14  11   1   (Clvl: 50)  Dmg: 3603.2  
    FMas                20  15  11   1   (Clvl: 51)  Dmg: 3717.3  
    FBa                 20  15  12   1   (Clvl: 52)  Dmg: 3833.5  
    FMas                20  16  12   1   (Clvl: 53)  Dmg: 3951.2  
    FBa                 20  16  13   1   (Clvl: 54)  Dmg: 4070.9  
    FMas                20  17  13   1   (Clvl: 55)  Dmg: 4192.2  
    FBa                 20  17  14   1   (Clvl: 56)  Dmg: 4315.5  
    FMas                20  18  14   1   (Clvl: 57)  Dmg: 4440.3  
    FBa                 20  18  15   1   (Clvl: 58)  Dmg: 4567.2  
    FMas                20  19  15   1   (Clvl: 59)  Dmg: 4695.6  
    FBa                 20  19  16   1   (Clvl: 60)  Dmg: 4826.0  
    FMas                20  20  16   1   (Clvl: 61)  Dmg: 4957.9  
    FBa                 20  20  17   1   (Clvl: 62)  Dmg: 5091.9  
    FBa                 20  20  18   1   (Clvl: 63)  Dmg: 5225.9  
    FBa                 20  20  19   1   (Clvl: 64)  Dmg: 5359.9  
    FBa                 20  20  20   1   (Clvl: 65)  Dmg: 5493.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   2   (Clvl: 66)  Dmg: 5627.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   3   (Clvl: 67)  Dmg: 5761.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   4   (Clvl: 68)  Dmg: 5895.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   5   (Clvl: 69)  Dmg: 6029.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   6   (Clvl: 70)  Dmg: 6163.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   7   (Clvl: 71)  Dmg: 6297.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   8   (Clvl: 72)  Dmg: 6431.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20   9   (Clvl: 73)  Dmg: 6565.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  10   (Clvl: 74)  Dmg: 6699.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  11   (Clvl: 75)  Dmg: 6833.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  12   (Clvl: 76)  Dmg: 6967.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  13   (Clvl: 77)  Dmg: 7101.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  14   (Clvl: 78)  Dmg: 7235.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  15   (Clvl: 79)  Dmg: 7369.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  16   (Clvl: 80)  Dmg: 7503.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  17   (Clvl: 81)  Dmg: 7637.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  18   (Clvl: 82)  Dmg: 7771.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  19   (Clvl: 83)  Dmg: 7905.9  
    FBo                 20  20  20  20   (Clvl: 84)  Dmg: 8039.9  
    ------------------ ----------------- ----------- ------------ -----------------
     Skill Placement    Met FMa FBa FBo   Clvl        Damage       Comments
    
    Sorry for all that confusion. My bad :D
     
  10. Xero(GoH)..

    Xero(GoH).. IncGamers Member

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    I know this is an old post im diggin up but im just making sure while going through that in the end no matter what order u will have the same amount of damage right?
    Or will u get more damage if u max FM before fireball... thanks and agian i apoligize but im just making sure i didnt screw up my sorce.
    Xero
     
  11. melianor

    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    What this thread is about, is to get the highest possible damage for Meteorb at each lvl. Ultimately with the same amoutn of points spent in EACH skill you will get tha same damage.

    If you spend different amount of points in the Firebolt, Fireball, Meteor and FM you will end up with different Meteor damage ofcourse.

    damage is calculated this way:

    full damage = base damage * (1+synergy%) * (1+(mastery%+elemtaldamagesources%) * (1-(monstersres5-negative resistancessources%))
     
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    Thanks i thouht i just made a big mistake lol
    Xero
     
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    AS uses essentially the same wording in their description of FM and Meteor's synergy information for FireBall/FireBolt so either the synergies apply to both impact and afterburn or FM only applies to the impact or Blizz needs to retake remedial English.......

    :bonk: :grrr:

    So what are good strategies for maximising the afterburn damage and for keeping the impact and afterburn damage balanced? I've also never seen a table of meteor level/afterburn-length; does one exist?
     

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