max block with spirit monarch?

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merp

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max block with spirit monarch?

does anybody ever go for max block with a spirit monarch? I am currently level 79 and my dex is over 200, and i'm only at 50% blocking. I really underestimated how bad a 42% block rate really is... I should have run the calculations before I decided to go max block. The problem is, i really really really enjoy having a blocking sosa...

Comments/suggestions anybody?

Thanks!
 
DarthLeader

DarthLeader

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

do not try max block with spirit monarch, it will fail.

Try whistan's guard or stormshield.

And I do not like max block on sorcs.
 
sirpoopsalot

sirpoopsalot

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Well, it's a half-arsed solution to your problem, but you could try some equipment that boosts blocking %'s.

For example, you can craft a bunch of 'safety' amulets for the 1-10% increase in blocking, and if you're lucky you'll get some other good mods too. Or Twitchthroe or Guardian Angel armors also boost your blocking. I think the amulet's not a horrible idea if you get a lucky craft, but I probably wouldn't bother with the armours. There might be another semi-useable piece of equipment that would have this too.

Or maybe some gear with large boosts to dexterity? Again, I think it's a half-arsed idea, but seeing where you're at already, I don't see much other chance to salvage your build and keep using Spirit.
 
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merp

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

yeah i had a feeling that would be the response from most peeps. Stormshield isn't a bad idea, i just really want the FCR from spirit. Skills are always good too...

Is there any way i could get the needed dex from charms?

I just want 105 FCR with full tal rasha's, that's all i ask! It would be nice to not have to devote all my rings, even though magefist helps (i'm pure fb build)

Thanks guys
 
DH Amazon

DH Amazon

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

merp said:
does anybody ever go for max block with a spirit monarch? I am currently level 79 and my dex is over 200, and i'm only at 50% blocking. I really underestimated how bad a 42% block rate really is... I should have run the calculations before I decided to go max block. The problem is, i really really really enjoy having a blocking sosa...

Comments/suggestions anybody?

Thanks!
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I have done but only with ama, but amas have 47% block rate with monarch, amas need around 320 dex to max block. So you need to aim for 350dex (or maybe more) for block. Not sure if you can get enough +dex anymore to max that block. You need still over 100 dex more, so you need more than just putting rest of stats points to dex, much more.

With good anni/torch and good other charms you still have around 900-1000 life, so its kind of viable build with good items. Don't do it if you life stays near 500.

You are at lvl79, can you already do all kind of runs you want to do. I mean you survive hell baal etc... barely or just fine. If you survive just fine, then go ahead and finish you block build. You don't need anymore life.

If you are struggling badly at this stage, then just put wizpike+stormshield at switch, use max block with those. Use that setup for hardest places/tele and use spirit+favorite weapon to kill in easy areas/when hardest monster is down.



 
Akse

Akse

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Sorc don't need block.. you are doing something wrong if you get hit..
 
sirpoopsalot

sirpoopsalot

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

DH Amazon said:
If you are struggling badly at this stage, then just put wizpike+stormshield at switch, use max block with those. Use that setup for hardest places/tele and use spirit+favorite weapon to kill in easy areas/when hardest monster is down.
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<-- that's a very nice summary of your best options, me thinks.

As is this -->

Akse said:
Sorc don't need block.. you are doing something wrong if you get hit..
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I agree; that's what you have mercs, teleport and ranged-spells for ~98% of the time.

And the other ~2% you have a belt, potions and hotkeys. ;)



 
melianor

melianor

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Akse said:
Sorc don't need block.. you are doing something wrong if you get hit..
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It's funny reading this. When 1.10 was hip and high uttering this sentence would have been close to blasphemy :whistling: Nowadays you just say "block" and get spammed with "Spirit" :crazyeyes:



 
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Sansfear

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

I had been planning on Stormshield, but hadn't found one yet. What I did find, however, was a Moser's Circle and may stick with that instead. That is a ton of points that I don't have to put into Str and that I can put into Dex/Vit instead. If you are wanting max block, you might see how Moser's fits into your build.
 
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Afitch

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Trade a pul rune for one. I consistently see that request for it on US East ladder channel. Doing hellforge quests, countess runes should net you one, or if your really really patient using the upgrade horadric cube rune recipes.

There's an article here on this site comparing the benefits of a vita sorc vs. a shield blocking sorc. In my opinion shield blocking sorc wins over vita any day and you are gonna get hit no matter how well you tele around the screen with your merc in hell. Sorcs get shortchanged with points in vita (not saying you shouldn't put points in them b/c you will have to) but getting your hps up is much easier through gear/charms. Those of you going for lvl 99 ladder or play hardcore ladder know what a pain in the butt it is to lose exp from death or losing your toon. Trying for max block with a Stormshield is not worthless for sorc.
 
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Aspera

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Some numbers since I was curious.

369 Dex for max block with a Spirit Monarch at 99
301 with 10% necklace
255 with Guardian Angel
237 for Stormshield

Assuming a perfect torch/anni, 156 total str (for Spirit/Stormshield), max block, no energy, rest vit, 3xJade Figurine quest (+60 hp), 3xLam Esen's Tome (+15 stat points).

Base stats:
Str: 10
Dex: 25
Vit: 10
HP: 40
2 HP per 1 Vit

98*5+15=505 stat points

156-40(anni/torch)-10(base)=106 str points

369-40-25=304 dex points
301-40-25=236 dex points
255-40-25=190 dex points
237-40-25=172 dex points

505-106-304=95 vit points
505-106-236=163 vit points
505-106-190=209 vit points
505-106-172=227 vit points
505-106-0=399 vit points

Using Ernirs Calculators.xls v1.00 (Google should pull it up for you)

Base HP:
Spirit: 388
Spirit + 10% Necklace: 524
Spirit + Guardian Angel: 616
Stormshield: 652
Max Vit: 996

%life from Battle Orders or +life equipment/charms will greatly affect your life as well.

Let me know if these numbers seem correct. Curiosity got the better of me during lunch break. I should probably do these with ~30 from Anni/Torch for a lvl 90 char since it'd be more appropriate for me. Perhaps for a dinner break :)
 
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Aspera

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Forgot that the Spirit runeword adds 22 vitality.

Base HP:
Spirit: 388+44=432
Spirit + 10% Necklace: 524+44=568
Spirit + Guardian Angel: 616+44=660
Stormshield: 652
Max Vit: 996+44=1040
 
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merp

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: max block with spirit monarch?

Aspera, thank you for the very helpful response. I'm kind of blown away by the amount of people who just wanted to flout their vita sorcs, and not have any helpful input.

I plan on just using SS i guess. I can probably trade for one.

Anybody else have good input? I think i'll pass on more "just go vita yeah dude sweet!" comments. I like block, and it suits me well compared to blowing points away on 2life/point vitality...

Thanks again on helpful responses ;)
 
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Aspera

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

I have both a full block and full vit sorcs. In the beginning if you're getting hit constantly, the block may be more beneficial to you. Eventually you'll be more proficient with your sorc and won't get hit as much. I find full vit to be more beneficial in these cases. I might get hit teleporting around (darned stygian dolls), but frozen armor will usually take care of them. 105 FCR is also a huge help. Which way you go really depends on your playstyle.

Unfortunately the 50FCR from Tal Rasha's set won't let you hit 105. You'll at least hit the 65FCR with magefists. You'll get a fair amount of resists and 57+60+50+150=317 life from the set, so you should be fine. The blocking from the SS is decent, but that damage reduction is a huge help.
 
lumpor

lumpor

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Re: max block with spirit monarch?

MYK said:
Really, though. If you get hit you're doing something wrong.


See, if you sit in town you've got 100% CTB with any shield.
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Actually, I had a bug where a leaper got into lut gholein. He couldn't go anywhere, but if I approched him, it attacked me. Although he didn't do any damage. Anyway, I had a shield with low blocking and I had little dex, and he still hit me


 
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