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M'avina's: A red-headed bastard child?

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by Chronus24, Apr 7, 2004.

  1. Chronus24

    Chronus24 IncGamers Member

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    M'avina's: A red-headed bastard child?

    I was browsing through some of the sets over at Arreat's Summit and came across M'avina's Battle Hymn. Now, I'm no Diablo II item know-it-all, but the stats for the set seemed quite good. And yet, I rarely see it mention on this board...Is there something wrong with it? A fatal flaw perhaps? A bug? Or is it like Griswold's Legacy and is EXTREMELY hard to find? Do enlighten me, please.
     
  2. lextalionis

    lextalionis IncGamers Member

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    Here's the thing, its not a bad bow. But it doesn't compare in bows really

    Good Bows:

    Windforce
    Witch Wild String
    Goldstrike Arch
    Eaglehorn
    Lycanders
    Widow Maker
    Buriza-Do Kyanon
    Ballista

    and possibly a Cliff Killer are all better

    Marvyina's might have its places or builds, but it just have enough of anything on it to put it over the top. The set bonuses are nice, but even with the new set bonuses, you can still get much better for zons with mix and matched equipment.

    This list is pretty exhaustive, and while you might be able to individually argue it was better than one or two of these, I think people would agree that its not in the top five of these bows.
     
  3. Unicorn Marketeer

    Unicorn Marketeer IncGamers Member

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    One minor counterpoint though, is that while mix-and-matched gear will ultimately outperform a M'avina's set, the mix-and-matched gear will probably be more expensive/harder to procure.

    The M'avina set goes relatively cheaply, so it is worth considering if you don't have deep pockets.
     
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    DarkY IncGamers Member

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    i dont agree with this.
    On hc europe, a wf is around um rune... mav bow & helm are even more valued
     
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    kiljoy001 IncGamers Member

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    True. The mav bow is very nice once you have enough parts to get the 100ish-300ish magic dmg going. It considerably ups' the amount of dmg you do.
     
  6. lextalionis

    lextalionis IncGamers Member

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    I have to agree, it has decent Magic FInd on the set. But if you are looking for MF, you might look at upgrading a Langer Brisser. It has decent Magic Find on it. Plus you can get some decent MF from other places.
     
  7. Kirsty

    Kirsty The Order of Dii Guild Member

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    The effectiveness of a bow depends too much on the amazon build. Most people go for high physical damage and then many of the others simply outperform Mavina's. If you go for versatility using specific elemental skills and different attack damage types, then the forementioned bows aren't all that great though. Mavina's will be a nice addition in such a case considering all the nice set bonuses it can provide.

    There are many underestimated bows and crossbows that lextalionis didn't mention, but they are most effective in very specialised builds. Kuko Shakaku, Wizendraw, Skystrike, Magewrath, Demon Machine and Pus Spitter are good examples of weapons that are often forgotten. They're overall more suitable for the elemental skills or for crowd control but upgraded they can do good physical damage as well.

    People who want only an um rune for a Windforce are stupid. You can easily upgrade a few lower runes and the hell forge quest drops um quite frequently.
     
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    lextalionis IncGamers Member

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    Kirsty,

    I didn't mean to leave out Kuko and some of the others, I thought that they were looking for top physical damage.

    Mavinna's is well rounded, but Kuko & Lycanders are much better for elemental damage than Mavinna's. The others you mention do have their uses as well.

    And I didn't mean to put Mavinna's down. I'm sure some people like it. I advocate it for MF especially in really tough areas where being well rounded might be more important.
     
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    Kirsty The Order of Dii Guild Member

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    His first post didn't say anything on physical damage.
     
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    I wouldn't really recommend using M'avinas set for MF purposes, simply because it only gives a 100% bonus to MF while taking up most all of your equipment slots. However, it is a very good set for some amazon builds, especially ones that utilize the cold side of the bow/xbow tree. The gloves add a ton of cold damage and freeze duration, as well as increasing the damage of your cold skills. You get a lot of +skills with the set, as well as decent resistances, IAS, and some other useful modifiers. While the physical damage on the bow is not that high, it is high enough to leech back with FA, if you've got a reasonable amount of mana leech, and the magic damage on the bow is enough to take down most physical/cold immunes that you may run across.
     
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    id say it still has its own value just for that glossy look.
     
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    lextalionis IncGamers Member

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    I like it for really tough high level MF, simply because yes its less MF, but you are a lot more well rounded. The setup has good resists, some +skills, some cold, FHR. Its just good all the way around.

    Most people only get to around 300 MF, and having that much MF in Hell Baal and still being able to make the run is why I like it for MF.
     
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    I don't think anyone has really mentioned that mavs makes for a VERY good frozen arrow build.

    Also your mf can be pretty decent (over 200) if you load up on charms and perhaps some mf rings, but there are certainly better chars to mf with.
     

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