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  1. Freemason

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    Man dares challenge what is in school books

    Cleric wants book ‘audit’ in Milford
    Brian McCready , Assistant Milford Bureau Chief

    MILFORD — The leader of a large city-based Christian church is asking the Board of Education to audit all library books in local schools for sexual and occult content, a review the district’s top official said isn’t needed and won’t be done.

    Bishop Jay Ramirez of Kingdom Life Christian Church said his request for the audit is based on previous and recent incidents in which questionable reading material turned up in middle schools.

    "I definitely think the books need to be reviewed by people at the school," Ramirez said. "Audit is a better term."

    Superintendent of Schools Gregory Firn, however, said that while he understands Ramirez’s concerns, the school system will not perform an audit. He said if anyone has an objection to a particular library book or textbook they can inform the school principal and the matter will be reviewed.

    "That’s why we have a process in place," Firn said.

    State Department of Education spokesman Thomas Murphy said while objections to material in textbooks have arisen in Connecticut, he can not recall any case in which a prominent clergyman raised objections to library books.

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    This is going to cause a huge uproar. People actually want to know what their children are being taught??? What is the world coming too?

    How about the parents that don't want the schools to teach about oral sex?
     
  2. maccool

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    Well, then I guess American history is out. Lousy Clinton :lol:


    Seriously, anyone has the right to question policy. Good for this cat. I don't agree with him, but I'm a big fan of fighting the powers that be.

    Of course, who decides what is immoral? This is the sticking point as I see it.
     
  3. lala

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    i doubt any school book would have any hardcore sexual stories... even if theres materials on the matter, it would be ones of educational purpose. besides, i believe in choice and variety
     
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    "Occult" content? I can almost back him on the sexual content. No, nevermind, I can't. Come on, what the hell is "occult" content? Anything that mentions a topic that may be offensive to christians? I don't understand this guy's beef. Being from the clergy, more than likely anything that goes farther than just mentioning sex is offensive to him. I'm really glad he is not in charge of what students are reading.
     
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    I see no big deal about him questioning or wanting the material reviewed.

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the "occult content" is any reference to the holiday Halloween. I could be wrong. If there was actually something in the books (other than fictional books, of course) promoting an occult religion, then I can see why it should be pulled as that would be endorsement of a specific religion.

    As for the sex thing... hey, sex is part of reality. Ask to take sex out, and you might as well ask to take out biology, chemistry, and physics while you're at it. People who are offended by sex choose to deny their own humanity, and should not be paid any attention.
     
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    I was hoping someone would challenge the strong bias and smudged facts.
     
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    Well since he is asking to for them to remove any "occult" material and he represents a certain religion, i say that request should be ignored. As well if the only reason they have for the removal of school books that contain such content is based on his morales, or morales inspired by his religion then his request should be ignored. He nor his religious group have no right to ask/demand such a thing.

    As well i take the term middleschool to mean children in grade 7(which by canadian/american standards means they should be turning 13 that year) are already aware of such issues. I can even recall reading a dear abby in the paper that concerned children of that age group using oral sex to forward their social lives. Also I can recall from my own days of grade 7 discussing(in a christian school no doubt) many aspects of sexuality with my religion teacher.
     
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    One of them is a Berenstain Bears book. I wonder what could be offensive in that one? It almost has to be some ambiguous phrase or something.
    Anyway, the man doing the challenging has as much right to do so as those refusing to budge. The flip side of 'freedom of speech' is the freedom to question it.
     
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    I am only saying he loses said right if his reasoning is morales, in which case he does not. Unless i totally misinterpreted everything i have ever heard about free speech.
     
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    Well, it's obvious that he wants children to be protected from disgusting pornography like The Crucible. Or Harry Potter. (Actually, mentioning Harry Potter makes me sympathise more with him... >_< )
     
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    A question for those of us who think this is a good idea: Who's going to read the books?
     
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    why would concerns over morals not be protected speach? Now mind you, I don't agree with the guy but he certainly has a right to express his oppionins.
     
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    make hime read all of them. make him write a synopsis and review of each.
     
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    i always knew there was something wrong about green eggs and ham :grrr:
     
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    The board didn't abrogate a parent's right to educate their children. They just refuse to conduct an audit. Probably on grounds that it's too expensive to review every book.

    The parent can still control their child's education, because the fact that the board permitted parents to submit questionable books to the shool principal shows that the board could remove those books on an individual basis. In other words, the board is saying "ok, but if you think they're immoral, then you do the audit yourself, because as a public system, we're already running over budget."
     
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    Personally i do not feel a book should be removed from the library on the basis that it is a contradiction or a violation or how ever you wish to call it, of someone else's morals. As long as the book has a truthful educational value, or will not cause any harm, or promote miscellaneous conduct, leave it.

    Note by saying that, i would think the script to debbie does dallas should be removed, but a book that says "sex" should not. Which is as far as i can tell the kind of thing they wish to remove.
     
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    "Occult" books are ususally slang for Harry Potter and any other book that features wizards, magic, and other things forbidden to some religions.

    Careful, Smegmason...your religion is also occult. :)

    Edit: Sexual themes? Like having your period as discussed in "Hello God? It's Me, Margaret?" Or dealing with the sexuality of young black women in "The Bluest Eye" or "Beloved?" Be careful what you're espousing here. Sexuality isn't just premarital oral sex.
     
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    I read Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks a while ago. This year, I saw it as a recommended book for history. If you're ever read that book, you'll know that there are some rather graphic and descriptive sex scenes. But hey, it was recommended.
     
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    How old are you when this is being discussed though? The article in question is basically calling for censorship on the literature available to younger children, particuarily children ranging from 12-14, or atleast that is the age group 'middle school' denotes to me.
     
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    I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that once it becomes clear which books this guy wants out of the schools (sex-ed materials and Harry Potter) nobody here will support him any more.

    It's great that people are interested in what's happening at their children's schools, but the motive here is fairly obvious . . .
     

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