LLD HvH strategy tips needed.

[poroboszcz]

LLD HvH strategy tips needed.

I have lvl 29 hammerdin pala and been playing with him for quite a while now. It's he's 3rd (pre-final rebuild, w/o vigor (wich I still can get, if neccesary, from eth tearhaunch i own) and I'm doing fine against almost anyone, beside couple of other hammerdins. One of them is a proper lvl 29 non-vigor build as well and the other one is "laming" lvl 30 , using vigor and foh to get me out of desynch. Still they both literally pown me 10-0 (or 10-1 if i'm really lucky) every time I duel them. Now my question is: how can I improve?

I know there are few experienced LLDers around here, so my questions are mainly to them. What strategies should be used in lld HvH? Is it only about outrunning/desynching you opponent? Do you use vigor? Do you try to aim your hammers or rather create small hammerfields on anticipated path of you opponent?
Well, need some serious input. Any clues appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 

[crawlingdeadman]

two equally skilled hammers dueling each other is one of the most boring freaking duels ever. it's all about who'll make the biggest mistake first. even if you make a mistake bad enough to lower your life a bit, just start playing defensive until you replen it back, like i said, boring. i usually get bored with the desyncing around each other trying to lure/force the other into a field that i'll become aggresive and that's when i'll typically lose.

i always charge with vigor on. also whenever you get the chance during the duel switch to insight and put clense on it'll give you mad regen and replen.

the guy with the foh shouldnt be hurting you much just let him foh you and try to get him w/ his stick out. i assume you're not dueling on east since 30 is pretty much the default here. are you hell rushed? if not you might need to get some more res through charms, though i doubt it. next time you meet him wait for his foh stick to come out and check your res real quick. if you're at 75 res under any conviction his foh is doing only double digits damage at most. like i said just let him foh you and use that as your chance to desync him enough to smash his face in.

i made my hammerdin the first time w/o vigor and since remaking him 2-3 more times since i've always gotten vigor...with hard points. imo you're better off getting more life from the stats of ck boots than saving a couple points for hammer damage. this allows you to swap out cks for replen boots in caster duels and still have max block in an open pub game. if you're only dueling caster v caster you dont need to worry about holy shield or dex for block so you're good to go crafting some replen boots.

practice practice practice. that's about all i can tell you. if you're on east, lmk and i can give you a few tips, but it's kinda hard to explaine, it's more of a showing thing.

here's what i use, btw:
Funeral_Wells (30 hammerdin):

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2x sojs, frosties, ck boots, 35/13 viper (pskulled), 17 med insight staff on switch

possible improvements:
2combat/20fcr/mods circlet
lower strength spirit shield
eth frosties (if i change shield)
better scs

 

[poroboszcz]

Thanks for the input. I've already seen your pala at lld pictures thread; you got a pretty nice amu there


This is how my hammer looks atm. I have to use mages, due to lack of circlet. Also got some 1 pala/10 fcr amu with res, nothing gosu, though. Perf pcrown and viper with skulls, 2 sojs, 2 spirits, string.

Foh does very little to no dmg to me, but it breaks desynch, though. I've never thought about using medi switch with cleansing, but since using medi alone + 1 pt in prayer is already considered bm sometimes, that's not a kind of solution I'm looking for. And I play on scl europe, where 29 is more of a standard. Also I think it's enough for a hammerdin wich is quite overpowered on it's own even compared to lvl 30 chars.
Still looking for some more tactical advices :azn:

 

[NewForumBloke]

Do you use any sort of a key set up to help you? i know that i use Z for charge and X for Hammers so i charge around and spam hammers a lot easier than i did when i still had it on the F1 etc keys. Really, something ive been messing with lately has been charging in a triangle, spamming 2 hammers at the corner of each point. Rinse and repeat. I havent been able to practice with it much, especially since my mana is barely near 300 ...

Thats all i got atm i guess lol,

-BLoke :smug:

 

[Wuben]

Always stay under him. South-west preferably. Use vigor, you'll desynch way better.

Just anticipate on what he's doing and do it better.