LLD Bone Nec idea. Need Help.

Shaven Monkee

Diabloii.Net Member
LLD Bone Nec idea. Need Help.

I am interested in making an LLD Bone Nec. I saw one sweeping in pubs about a year ago in LLD games.

I have put together a rough idea of what it would take to make one.
I need some insight on some factors though.


Here is the gear I think would be sufficient:

Peasant Crown +1
Skin of the Vipermagi +1
Magefist
Whistans Guard
Natalya's Soul
Blade buckle/caster belt
Umes Lament +2
Wep.Switch: Teleport Staff.
2xSOJs +2
Eye of Etlich +1


This is what I know so far:

Skill Pts:
==========
I will have 29 from leveling.
I will get 12 more from quests.
------------------------------
Total 41

Spirit gets boosts from:
Teeth/Spear/Wall/Prison, 6% each.

1 pt into teeth 6%
1 pt into CE
1 pt into spear 6%
1 pt into spirit

1 pt in armor
1 pt in wall 6%
1 pt in prison 6%
-------------
34 left

-19 to max spear
-15 dump into teeth
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0


Stat Pts:
=========
I will get 145 stat pts.
I will get 15 more from quests.
--------------------------------
Total 160

I start w/15 Str.
I start w/25 Dex.

I need 65 Str for Nat's Boots.

I need 67 Dex for max block w/Whitans.

So I would spend 50 Str pts
So I would spend 42 Dex pts
Leaving me w/68 Stat pts.


Resists:
========
I can get max rez in norm from:
Viper/Anya/x2 +5rez all sc's.


FHR:
====
I can get 30 % from Blade Buckle & can use charms to make for the
slack.


FCR:
====
I can get 70 FCR from:
Viper/Magefist/Umes.




Things I don't know:

What FCR / FHR break points should I shoot for?

NRG or no NRG?

Does Umes Lament grant Decrep, even if
you have no points in it?
Or does it just add to your current level in it.


Lemme know what yall think, any assist would be great.

TY
 

Lyrs

Diabloii.Net Member
Shaven Monkee said:
I am interested in making an LLD Bone Nec. I saw one sweeping in pubs about a year ago in LLD games.

I have put together a rough idea of what it would take to make one.
I need some insight on some factors though.
It looks like this won't be lld101 lld, but regardless, it's lvl 30 and down, so good luck in pubby games. Remain humble and you'll do fine.

Here is the gear I think would be sufficient:

Peasant Crown +1
Skin of the Vipermagi +1
Magefist
Whistans Guard
Natalya's Soul
Blade buckle/caster belt
Umes Lament +2
Wep.Switch: Teleport Staff.
2xSOJs +2
Eye of Etlich +1
It looks like standard low lvl caster gear. Switch the Whistan's out for an +3 Spirit and/or Spear and/or Armor. Try to find a head with +Spear or Spirit and make a "rhyme" shield. I'd use an +3 bone armor wand and shield on switch to cast Armor. I find "Spirit" runeword to be about the best caster weapon on ladder for lld. Ume's on switch if you want decrep.

Upgrade your helm to a circlet with 2 psn&bone + 20fcr for endgame. Caster belt or String of Ears. I use String against heavy hitting melee/charge. I don't think you can have teleport for lvl 30. Teleport charges used by any other class other than sorceress are lvl 48.

Necro amulet with +2pnb, 10frc for better damage.

This is what I know so far:

Skill Pts:
==========
I will have 29 from leveling.
I will get 12 more from quests.
------------------------------
Total 41

Spirit gets boosts from:
Teeth/Spear/Wall/Prison, 6% each.

1 pt into teeth 6%
1 pt into CE
1 pt into spear 6%
1 pt into spirit

1 pt in armor
1 pt in wall 6%
1 pt in prison 6%
-------------
34 left

-19 to max spear
-15 dump into teeth
---------------------
This is lld, teeth dmg will be very low. Dump the your 15 points into Bone Wall and/or bone prison. You will want a very strong armor against all the lld charges/zealer+charge.

Stat Pts:
=========
I will get 145 stat pts.
I will get 15 more from quests.
--------------------------------
Total 160

I start w/15 Str.
I start w/25 Dex.

I need 65 Str for Nat's Boots.

I need 67 Dex for max block w/Whitans.

So I would spend 50 Str pts
So I would spend 42 Dex pts
Leaving me w/68 Stat pts.
43 is enough str. You won't need the res from Nat's. Res explained below. For now, if you find a good head with +skills, you can instead put those points spent on getting str up to wear Nat's into Dex for 75 block.


Resists:
========
I can get max rez in norm from:
Viper/Anya/x2 +5rez all sc's.
30 res (quest) + 35 (viper) + 25 (rhyme shield/head) = 90 All res. More stock res will only help against Foh/conviction and cold mastery.

FHR:
====
I can get 30 % from Blade Buckle & can use charms to make for the
slack.
Spirit - 55 FHR. Easily one of the best ways to reach 86FHR.

FCR:
====
I can get 70 FCR from:
Viper/Magefist/Umes.

Things I don't know:

What FCR / FHR break points should I shoot for?
You want to hit 75, below will get you killed. 125 is your goal. Spirit = 35, Suicide Branch = 50, Shard = 50. helm = 20, ammy = 10.

30 (viper) + 20 (mage) + 35 (spirit) + 20 (circlet) + 10 (amulet) + 10 (fcr ring) = will get you 125. Go for 75 at the least.


NRG or no NRG?
NO clue. Perhaps it is nrg = energy.

Does Umes Lament grant Decrep, even if
you have no points in it?
Or does it just add to your current level in it.
It grants you the skill without you needing to use points into it. Your +curse or +all skills will add to the lvl of the curse.

Lemme know what yall think, any assist would be great.

TY
 

CookiesnCream

Diabloii.Net Member
Shaven Monkee said:
Here is the gear I think would be sufficient:

Peasant Crown +1
Skin of the Vipermagi +1
Magefist
Whistans Guard
Natalya's Soul
Blade buckle/caster belt
Umes Lament +2
Wep.Switch: Teleport Staff.
2xSOJs +2
Eye of Etlich +1
Also, get Sander's boots instead of Natalya's.
 

Jerkazoid

Diabloii.Net Member
sanders defienetly..

the hell rush will boost ur dmg alot,, (althought i dont condon this being from uSwest where most of us dont do that)

bc of the added skill u can get away with not having a rhyme necro head with +spear/spirit
the dex requirement on these heads is horrible, my 30 needed about 90+ dex for 75% blocking

so the whitsans can save u a ton of stats and the Pcrown gives even more r/w

against cold sorc u gonna hate being chilled but atleast cast speed isnt effected. might wanna think about CBF in stash incase

you can craft a decent 10%fcr belt if u put enough time into it, this could help u hit a break,, but string would also be good.

if ur on ladder i recomend the spirit for starters,, its Such a great word. and that FHR means u can ditch blade buckle for SOE and get some decent dr% and MDR. aslo and insight staff switch might be ur answer to mana.

ultimalty some Noxious wand of the magnus (+2pnb 20%fcr) with +3spear/spirit and 2 sockets is end game ideal.. with tw0 +9dex/ +str jewels too :)

i think id sheal the armors for easy FHR.. but Pskulls can also be quite good for dual replenishing

youll need some good mana/life charms to be really competative these can cost an arm and a leg... so will a decent +3 rhmye head +2PnB 20%fcr circ and +2pnb 10%ammy.

30 necro is probably the most expensive lld imo. GL

ideally.. this 30 hell rushed all slicked out can hit 900 spear/spirit dmg yowzaaa
 

Shaven Monkee

Diabloii.Net Member
Thanks for the info!

I do have a few more questions:

Do Spirit weapons hafta be swords?

Can Noxious wand of the magnus
come with both +3spear AND +3 spirit?

Is 86 FHR the break point?

Lastly, should I invest in NRG or leave it base?
 

Matt

Diabloii.Net Site Pal
leave energy base. And it was mentioned earlier, that teleport cant be used at that level. Wrong, it can. Tele AMULETS cant be used until level 48, but tele charges can be found on staffs (staffs, staves?) at level 24.
 

Jerkazoid

Diabloii.Net Member
Shaven Monkee said:
Thanks for the info!

I do have a few more questions:

Do Spirit weapons hafta be swords?

Can Noxious wand of the magnus
come with both +3spear AND +3 spirit?

Is 86 FHR the break point?

Lastly, should I invest in NRG or leave it base?
gota be a sword. so use a crystal,, it can be eth for coolness if u want.

u can shop noxious wands of the magnus and get lucky with +3spear/spirit it can happen (but dont count on it) just +2pnb 20%fcr with 2 or 3 to one of the skills is gonna be hard enough.


http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=551
86% fhr would be a good break.. but i suppose for most duels u can be ok with only 52%
 

Lyrs

Diabloii.Net Member
I always thought teleport charge lvl requirements were universally at 48 for non-sorc. Well, this sure opens up some builds i've had to stash away.
 

rekklesskiller

Diabloii.Net Member
be an asshole and make an iron golem out of an eth windhammer or other ****ty highpower wep and feel free to laugh when you teleport on top of a level 65 enchanter and kill them when they tell you to grow some balls and come out of town
 
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