little advice on Tresh and Pindle

nikstone

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little advice on Tresh and Pindle

Ok, i want to give little advice and info on Tresh and Pindle (after 3 months of running them more then 10 hours daily).

Ill keep this as short and direct as possible cause its not intended as a guide and many of the old players can explain you the basics and other related stuff.

First, Tresh Socket is totally viable for running as is Pindelskin (i think the guys in Blizzard intenionally moved him to the Areat Plateu for that purpose).

I GUARANTEE that you will find more/different high TC-s while running both of them instead running only Pindelskin in the same amount of time.

You should have about 500% mf and higher, to ensure more uniques and sets in the long run (altough its common knowledge you can do with less mf).

If you want GOOD results meaning QUANTITY you should run them AT LEAST three hours in one session (one hour can often bring nothing).

The map seed as revealed by Thrugg has NOTHING to do with the drops altough I do change it sometimes just to do something different.

Of course you need a character that can quickly and safely kill them (a lot about that has been said lately in other threads).

If you want items like jewels, charms, socketed and white items and ociasonally runes, kill the undead in Pindelskins garden, otherwise dont bother (that is if you are quick enough to avoid them).

You dont need to be specially talented, lucky or anything else special, those high TC items will drop in time.

The most important factor is TIME invested in running.
You might look in the item find thread and say I am never so lucky, why dont I get so good items? - the only answer to this is: you have to spend MORE TIME running them (if you have it of course).

i didnt get into any deep detail here, if you have any specific question, please post it in this thread or to my email adress: [email protected]
 

SnakeEye85

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i totaly agree with you nikstone!!

anyone can find those high tcs by running these dudes. You just have to keep killing them

i have had better results from pindle in 1.10 than i have had with pit / WSK. I know there´s a few items pindle can´t drop but i wouldn´t have found them anyway ^^

think i have to start run tresh cause im bored with pindle after thousands and thousands of runs...

GL to everyone :thumbsup:

edit: i have found some cool stuff from eldritch / shenk but IMO they are not worth it
 

nikstone

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NSXdreamer said:
Should I bother to include eldrich and shenk in there, or leave them and save some time?
my advice would be: skip them cause their dropchances are much lower then Pindels or Treshs and they cant drop most of the best stuff

tough running them as a little refreshment is nice
 

Dodgydave

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NSXdreamer said:
Should I bother to include eldrich and shenk in there, or leave them and save some time?
I agree with nikstone here, I once did a large series of Eldrich runs to see what he could drop and I believe he can't drop TC 87 but his minions may be able to. I believe most of the stuff he can drop is Mephable, though as always I stand to be corrected.
 

DarkChaos

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Eldritch and Shenk, contrary to what nikstone mentioned, have a better drop chance than both Pindle and Thresh (Pindle has a very slightly better drop chance than Thresh as well), but cannot drop from TC87. However, they are good up to TC84 as they have a very nice quality bonus, so if you're looking for items up to TC84, by all means run Eldritch/Shenk.
 

Dodgydave

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~DarkChaos~ said:
Eldritch and Shenk, contrary to what nikstone mentioned, have a better drop chance than both Pindle and Thresh (Pindle has a very slightly better drop chance than Thresh as well), but cannot drop from TC87. However, they are good up to TC84 as they have a very nice quality bonus, so if you're looking for items up to TC84, by all means run Eldritch/Shenk.
Interesting, I'm sure the highest TC item I got from Eldrich in about 1000+ runs was Flambellow (TC 72?) Good to know he can drop a lot higher than this, must have just had some no so good luck.
 

DarkChaos

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Dodgydave said:
Interesting, I'm sure the highest TC item I got from Eldrich in about 1000+ runs was Flambellow (TC 72?) Good to know he can drop a lot higher than this, must have just had some no so good luck.
That is possible -- probable actually. I don't run him much but on the off runs I do I've managed to get a Champion Sword, Fanged Knife, Winged Knife, Feral Claws, and a bunch other elite set/unique items.
 

nikstone

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~DarkChaos~ said:
Eldritch and Shenk, contrary to what nikstone mentioned, have a better drop chance than both Pindle and Thresh (Pindle has a very slightly better drop chance than Thresh as well), but cannot drop from TC87. However, they are good up to TC84 as they have a very nice quality bonus, so if you're looking for items up to TC84, by all means run Eldritch/Shenk.
I am sorry that I have to correct you DarkChaos: Eldritch and Shenk have only a better chance for some MEPHABLE items and you can forget about those high TC-s from them, and also Pindle has a UNSIGNIFICANT better chance then Tresh.
Please, check the ATMA drop calculator.
 

DarkChaos

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nikstone said:
I am sorry that I have to correct you DarkChaos: Eldritch and Shenk have only a better chance for some MEPHABLE items and you can forget about those high TC-s from them, and also Pindle has a UNSIGNIFICANT better chance then Tresh.
Please, check the ATMA drop calculator.
I am aware of this, but just so you know -- Pindle/Eldritch are all about high TCs, while Eldritch/Shenk are all about high-quality. I've tested it myself and it does check out.
 

nikstone

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~DarkChaos~ said:
I am aware of this, but just so you know -- Pindle/Eldritch are all about high TCs, while Eldritch/Shenk are all about high-quality. I've tested it myself and it does check out.

What do you mean by high quality?

Here is the drop chance for a Fanged Knife displayed as percentage with 500% mf:

Pindelskin 0,010310 ....
Tresh 0,010258 ....
Eldritch 0,000949 ....

So consider yourself very lucky, but dont make a rule of it.
All the facts I stated are backed up both in my personal experience and the information in the Atma drop calculator and I would appreaciate it if you would not confuse people because this was intended as some help for someone.
 

DarkChaos

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nikstone said:
What do you mean by high quality?

Here is the drop chance for a Fanged Knife displayed as percentage with 500% mf:

Pindelskin 0,010310 ....
Tresh 0,010258 ....
Eldritch 0,000949 ....

So consider yourself very lucky, but dont make a rule of it.
All the facts I stated are backed up both in my personal experience and the information in the Atma drop calculator and I would appreaciate it if you would not confuse people because this was intended as some help for someone.
Fanged Knife is TC84, which is quite rare from Eldritch (it's as TC87 is to Pindle), yet the odds of dropping it are almost the same. I find that a unique pops every few runs from Eldritch while Thresh/Pindle can go dry for 40 runs at a time when they're not dropping a unique every 10 runs (every 5 if you do both).
 

nikstone

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~DarkChaos~ said:
Fanged Knife is TC84, which is quite rare from Eldritch (it's as TC87 is to Pindle), yet the odds of dropping it are almost the same. I find that a unique pops every few runs from Eldritch while Thresh/Pindle can go dry for 40 runs at a time when they're not dropping a unique every 10 runs (every 5 if you do both).
I still miss to see your point.

If I want to run for items up to TC78 then its Mephisto.

If i want higher TC items I run Pindle and Tresh.

Where do Eldritch and Tresh fit in?

They dont drop the lower Tc-s as good as Meph and they dont drop the higher TC-s as good as Pindle/Tresh wich makes them mediocre and good for running if bored with the other ones.

I start to believe that you must be joking here. :D

P.S. and mind you, where do you see that the odds of dropping the Fanged Knife are almost the same for Eldritch as compared to Pindle or Tresh, lol?
 

DarkChaos

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nikstone said:
I still miss to see your point.

If I want to run for items up to TC78 then its Mephisto.

If i want higher TC items I run Pindle and Tresh.

Where do Eldritch and Tresh fit in?

They dont drop the lower Tc-s as good as Meph and they dont drop the higher TC-s as good as Pindle/Tresh wich makes them mediocre and good for running if bored with the other ones.

I start to believe that you must be joking here. :D

P.S. and mind you, where do you see that the odds of dropping the Fanged Knife are almost the same for Eldritch as compared to Pindle or Tresh, lol?
Oh I see, missed that 0, how silly. You are quite right then -- however, I've done quite a lot of Thresh runs (maybe upwards of 7000) and haven't seen ONE TC87 unique. Pindle drops more often.

Also, this thread is starting to get ugly, sounds a bit like flaming to me. I think we should stop.
 

nikstone

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~DarkChaos~ said:
Oh I see, missed that 0, how silly. You are quite right then -- however, I've done quite a lot of Thresh runs (maybe upwards of 7000) and haven't seen ONE TC87 unique. Pindle drops more often.

Also, this thread is starting to get ugly, sounds a bit like flaming to me. I think we should stop.
Yep, this thread was intended only as info for people.

If you think that anyone has made it ugly or was flaming I think that person should apologyze then.

I am sorry that Tresh has not dropped you anything yet, am sure the game will balance itself out in time, cant wait to hear the good news, keep me informed, please.
 

DarkChaos

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nikstone said:
Yep, this thread was intended only as info for people.

If you think that anyone has made it ugly or was flaming I think that person should apologyze then.

I am sorry that Tresh has not dropped you anything yet, am sure the game will balance itself out in time, cant wait to hear the good news, keep me informed, please.
Oh, I'll keep you posted. Instead of dropping from high TCs, he enjoys dropping yet another useless item:

http://www3.telus.net/gabriel/d2screens/068.jpg
 

CheekyJez

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The big advantage Eldritch has over Meph is that he takes SECONDS to run... OK, he only gets one drop rather than 6 but I could easily do 10 Eldritch runs in the time of a Meph run, even with a half decent map. I don't teleport tho as don't have a sorc so that might be different.

edit: also, Eldritch is less likely to cause elemental damage than Meph, so you can let resists really slide while running him
 
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