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Light sorc helm questions

Discussion in 'Sorceress' started by RealmOftheWolf, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. RealmOftheWolf

    RealmOftheWolf IncGamers Member

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    Light sorc helm questions

    what is better
    assume cast is not a issue just damage wise.

    PERFECT Griffons
    1 all skills
    +25% Faster Cast Rate
    -25% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
    +20% to Lightning Skill Damage
    with facet
    (i think thats perf with facet)

    or

    3 light skills
    +20% Faster Cast Rate
    -10% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
    +10% to Lightning Skill Damage

    Now the 3 light skills beats griffons in terms of damage. 14% more damage. but does the -15 more light res really matter. if i am holding a infinity with -55 light res.???

    oh and lil off topic but can someone link me a infinity holding light sorc guide not entirely sure of em
     
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    You'll be hitting the -enemy resistance limit of -100 already. That's easy to do with -85% + -55% coming from infinity already. I'd probably go for more damage from the tiara. You'll do more damage to non-immune monsters, but you'll do less damage to the monsters that were originally immune.
     
  3. melianor

    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Test example:
    CB, L, CL, LM maxed
    +10 skills

    Code:
    Monster resistance				0%			50%			100%
    Lightning Damage with Griffons			40-11302		32-8248			16-4582
    +25% damage, -85% Monster res, +11 skills		
    Lightning Damage with +3 Circlet		36-10250		25-7144			11-3417
    +10% damage, -65% Monster res,  +13 skills
    
    Hmm i don't see the Tiara doing more damage. Anything wrong with my calculations?
     
  4. RealmOftheWolf

    RealmOftheWolf IncGamers Member

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    i think its actually +20% -25% on griffon. from what i did on open. with exact gear im usin. i have -85 (conviction) -55 infinity thats already -140. so most are at lowest res anywayz id say. 150 with helm. so griffons extra bit of res shouldnt matter much.

    now griffons has 15% more damage that circlet but extra +to light mastery totaling + 24% (12 a level) and 2 to light. sorta looks like it does more damage. barring the massive res monsters which shouldnt be that common

    sorta looks like circlet wins but im not entirely sure.
     
  5. killian27

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    Strictly PVM? Or PVP also... lots of chaosing?

    I've made this build 3 ways...

    Vita: Highest damage, not as susceptable to mana-burn boss packs, great nihlathak runner. Not so good in PVP. Not as good in chaos because she needs the merc alive or a steady stream of blue pots.

    Es w/100 base in vita rest mana: Would be my pick for pvm and she excells at just about everything PvM... can killer uber d, can solo mini-ubers... can even provide support in a uber run.

    Es all mana: What I'm currently using for PVP... more durable in pvp... but when teleporting through wsk if you land in a mana-burn boss pack you are toast. She does really well at chaos though... not needing a merc except for the occasional LI that won't break.

    All three can solo baal runs without breaking a sweat... only one flaw with this character, and that is that she has only 30mf... and no real room to improve on that.

    I can elaborate on each build, if you are interested.
     
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    aman Assassin Moderator

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    Not to hijack the thread too much but killian27 could you please post info on the es with 100 base vita

    Skills + items would be great(i think i can work out the stats:rolleyes: )
     
  7. RealmOftheWolf

    RealmOftheWolf IncGamers Member

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    ye im interestin on them sorcs. stats skills equip ect lol

    pvm mostly
     
  8. killian27

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    Sure thing man... aren't you from the SPF? Or do you dabble in BNET also... only ask because I think I remember your name from when i frequented SPF... and of course since my setup includes torch and anni.

    Anywho:

    Gear:
    Griffons (socketed with shael, you will want to hit at least the 60fhr bp even for pvm)
    Infinity Scythe (I just like the looks of scythe, it'll be glitched on so noone else can see it anyway)
    Upped Um'd 35res Vipermagi
    Magefist
    Arach belt
    eth sandstorm treks (the eth does effect how much str you will have to add, since eth treks req 81, and highest other piece is upped vipermage at 84)(fhr/triple resist boots could be used, but I don't own any)
    Amulet 2 sorc 10+fcr/resist/etc/etc
    rings: if your amulet has 15fcr on it you can wear a soj, else you must wear two fcr rings (to reach 117fcr)... hopefully that have str/mana or str/life + resists
    2x12fhr light gc's
    5xplain or lifers (lifers preferred of course... pricy though)
    1x12fhr/55mana
    1x 56mana/40life
    (You could use all lifers and fhr's... but I only have a couple of lifers)
    2x 5fhr/mana sc's
    rest life/mana sc's
    torch (stats over resists)
    anni (stats over resists)

    that is my charm selection... you may want all skillers instead of the 2xgrands with mana/life/fhr... but for pvp I find them to help survivability... sometimes when chaosing i sub 2 light skillers for those two.

    The gear setup is the same for all 3 builds, though your charms and jewelry can vary... for the vita build you would want to get some life/resists sc's since your resists will not be maxed in hell with this build (without resists from sc's and jewelry) All three would use an insight prayer merc.

    Switch gear:
    cta/lidless (your str will be 84 so spirit shield is out)
    Pvp extra gear:
    treachery for pre-buff
    +9es memory staff
    whisp (i don't advise switching out rings unless your amulet has 15+fcr and you'll still hit the 117fcr bp... its damn hard to hit a target in pvp with <117fcr)
    raven
    dwarf
    hotsput boots


    Skills:Vita

    20 Light mastery
    20 Chain Lightning
    20 Lightning
    20 Charged Bolt
    rest nova
    1pt tstorm
    1pt tele
    1pt tk
    1pt static
    1pt warmth

    Skills: 100basevita/rest mana

    20 Light mastery
    20 Chain Lightning
    20 Lightning
    rest charged bolt
    1pt nova
    1pt tstorm
    1pt tele
    16pt tk (break even point for 1:1 mana/life absorbed)
    1pt static
    1pt warmth
    1pt es

    Skills: all mana es build

    20 Light mastery
    20 Chain Lightning
    20 Lightning
    rest charged bolt
    1pt nova
    1pt tstorm
    1pt tele
    20pt tk (1:.75 life/mana absorbed)
    1pt static
    1pt warmth
    1pt es

    Ok, I don't think I missed anything... please point out any errors though, lol.

    Realmofthewolf - as for your original question... a 3/20/2 would be very tempting... I don't think I would facet it though, I would shael or um... maybe even a ber... damage will not be lacking in this build regardless of your helm, so I'd use it to fill other holes. If you have a amulet with 15fcr, I would without a doubt go with griffons, just so you could switch out a fcr ring for a soj.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Ah, the only thing i forgot was to add conviction. But does not change too much for the result, since this will only be added on top. The Griffons leads by a wee bit, which gets a bit better with higher resistances, but not by much.

    Throw the whole thing into this formula and see for yourself:

    actual damage = base damage * (1 + mastery%) * (1 - (monsterres% - elemental res %)

    mastery% = added damage % from masteries and +xx% elemental damage sources.
     
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    Melianor, how would you calculate a comparable PVP final damage output?

    For example: My sorc and a non-infinity sorc both fired single shots at a barb to test. I seemed to average about 4k damage and as high as killing him... her average roll was around 3k and she never did kill him in one shot... however her LCS showed her damage as 42k and my LCS shows only 19k...

    I guess to calculate it you would have to pick an average starting resistance.. or would you? Since her 42k was based on a monster at 0% resist.

    Just curious if you new a calc to figure a comparable damage, since the LCS does not reflect -resists.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Just replace monsteres% with playerres%. The difference in PvP though is that you can stack resistances higher if i am not mistaken and that there are no immunities.

    The damage displayed does not show extra +xx% damage from gear or infact any kind of -xx% elemental damage, so yes that is just the raw damage, without taking resistances into account.
     
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    I think that formula will only work to show damage decrease due to enemy resists. I don't think it will work to show damage increase due to enemy negative resists.
     
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    the LCS doesn't account for resits or -enemy resists at all. That may account for the difference in damage.

    @melianor, Your formula doesn't take synergy points into account (unless you including that in base damage?)

    actual damage = base damage * (1 + synergy points * synergy%) *(1 + mastery%) * (1 - (monsterres% - elemental res %))

    Remember that for immunes you need to basically change your infinity from -85% to -17%.
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    Yeah i forgot about synergies. My Sorceress damage calculations skills are rusty and i should nott do calculations with half close sleepy eyes :) Clear that the +3 circlet comes out better then...... *feels embarrased*
     
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    RealmOftheWolf IncGamers Member

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    I beat the mod I BEAT THE MOD :D hahaahahahhahaahahahaha
    I WIN I WIN.. ^^

    i can try work it out :p. never been good with calculations myself
     
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    melianor D3 Wizard Moderator

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    :prop: ......
     
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    RealmOftheWolf IncGamers Member

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    i love excel makes it so easy with these formulas :p
     
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    YOU beat the mod? I think I beat the mod!!!:prop: :scratch: :brainiac: Of couse I generally loose 2 out of 3, but still... whee!
     
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    fine i beat first round
     

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