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---Light Javazon PVP guide --- (final)

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by tinncann25, Aug 30, 2006.

  1. chekmonster

    chekmonster Diabloii.Net Member

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    i'm still buying the charms. i'm a level 2 hell zon. but yeah i'll msg you when i'm ready. :] btw, i've seen some zons dominate games and i don't know about the hdin. my auradin kills them pretty easily. :/



     
  2. JAKEUS

    JAKEUS Diabloii.Net Member

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    Hmm.. my only real concerns were hitting 86 FHR and 100 FWR.

    Now the tables seem to have turned, as I am lacking some life.

    CHARMS
    12 FHR skillers x3
    7 FRW skillers x6
    5 res, 5 FHR small charm x7
    5 res, 3 FWR small charm x3

    With treks/cat's, that would be 91 FHR and 101 FWR

    ABSOLUTELY NO +LIFE MODS!
    Maybe I should give up some FRW for Lifers...
     
  3. mythos

    mythos Diabloii.Net Member

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    I'd look for a rare belt with 24 fhr 20+ strength life/res mods. This will allow you to replace some of the res/fhr sc's with res/frw. You can then look to replace a few frw skillers with lifer's. Do the math and work out what your optimal charm set-up is. You may be better off keeping the frw skillers and replacing using life/res sc's, but I doubt it. It will depend on how much life your skillers will have.

    EDIT : shadowdancer boots have more frw/fhr than treks. See if they will suit the rest of your build.



     
  4. tinncann25

    tinncann25 Diabloii.Net Member

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    what is the rest of ur gear looking like? that is a lot of resis and fhr that is coming only from your charms.



     
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    mainaman Diabloii.Net Member

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    barbs are not easy duels , sory ro say ...

    you definetely need better pvp tactics explanations , more detail will be helpful
     
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  6. tinncann25

    tinncann25 Diabloii.Net Member

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    mainaman i made most of the pvp tactics before i dueled you and some of the better barb duelers. AS for pvp tactics i will update eventually when i find the time.

    The barbs described in the section were pub duelers, which r quite beatable with a javazon.



     
  7. JAKEUS

    JAKEUS Diabloii.Net Member

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    I was thinking the same thing about resists. OH well, I plan on using that many simply for the sake of stacking :p. Im using:

    5/5 griffon's eye
    ds coh
    15 ias/15 res stormshield
    Eth 184% Titan's
    +3 jav/20 ias gloves
    T'gods (ISO good belt)
    15/13 Treks
    Cat's eye
    BK/Ravenfrost
    20/17 torch
    14/17 anni

    I use the titan's just because of the FWR, 134 FWR definitely makes up for the lack of teleport. Still looking for a decent belt, came across none so far.

    Wouldn't Tgods be a better choice against light users? Or would be just duel them like any other person?



     
  8. Betrayal

    Betrayal Diabloii.Net Member

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    Should I Facet my SS?
     
  9. DoC-Makaveli

    DoC-Makaveli Diabloii.Net Member

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    Use enigma, good ranged chars are not going to get caught by a 100 rw zon, might work for pub games..

    I use this:

    15res/15ias griffon
    +2 zon, 10 fcr, dex, 20 all res amulet (mara for cheap replacement)
    5/40ias matri jav (6/40 being ideal, but 4/40ias rare matri javs are not at all hard to get)
    enigma
    15res/15ias storm
    20ias/2 jav/dex/25 fr gloves
    arachnid
    raven
    bk ring
    45 lr/cr/fr boots
    torch
    anni
    9x jav/life gcs
    10x life/res scs

    This gives:
    15 (griff) + 20 (amulet) + 15 (storm) + 45 (boots) + 20 (anni) + 20 (torch) + 50 (scs) = 185 all res, max all res in hell with 10 stack. 25 FR in gloves and 25 LR in storm for 35 stack in those plus anyas for 30 more, at least temporarily.

    You also get 90 ias for fast CS, 55 fcr for relatively fast tele
     
  10. tinncann25

    tinncann25 Diabloii.Net Member

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    Javelin and Spear (max)
    Charged strike
    Lightning fury
    Lightning bolt
    1-2 other synergies of charged strike
    -All extra points go to next synergy

    Passive

    Dodge/Avoid/Evade – 1 point into each of these, these skills are why amazons don’t get hit in duels.
    Critical strike – 1 point
    Pierce/slow missile – pierce is necessary for dueling necros and druids with summons and slow missile is good for ranged attackers, amazons =p
    Valkyrie – not a PvM build, ignore

    Here is a snippet of my guide. Put points to max charged strike and light fury, then finish out the passives. Next mac out Lightning bolt. At this point
    "all extra skills to go next synergy"
     
  11. Dacar92

    Dacar92 Community, Amazon, DH Moderator & Inc Clan Officer

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    I just deleted 7 posts in this thread. So if Tinncann's post doesn't make sense, that's my fault. But the crap I just deleted wasn't doing anything for this thread. Clipz, check your PM's, please.
     
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    tinncann25 Diabloii.Net Member

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    Thanks Dacar
     
  13. clipz

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    can i get exact skill points and stats without anything on plzzzzzz thnx alot pm me or wtv plzzz asap im making this zon :)
     
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    clipz Diabloii.Net Member

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    he dont answer my posts or wtf....
     
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    ninjaboyjeff Diabloii.Net Member

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    I just wanna let you know that you rock for making this awesome guide. It cleared so much up as a Javazon for me. ^^
     
  16. Bash_

    Bash_ Diabloii.Net Member

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    Thank you for this guide, it helped me a great deal. I have done many hours of calculations, and i believe that i have found a more wellrounded build.

    I would like your thoughts on it.

    Weapon: Eth(upped) titans
    Shield: 3xias/res jeweled+ 5/5 die light faced Jmod Monarch
    Armor: Enigma archon/wirefleece
    Helm: Shako ias/res
    Gloves: +2jav 20ias KB stats/res gloves
    Boots: Eth treks, 15/15/60+
    Belt: Verdungos
    Ring 1: Soj
    Ring 2: Raven
    Amulet: Highlords

    The reason why i chose to use HL instead of cats, is the following:

    1) the +1 skill from HL allows me to use lvl 45 cs, with besides the ekstra damage also gives 1 more bolt than at 44.

    2) I dont like to abuse the server to desynch

    3) The light res is crucial

    and 4) The extra crit when using a bow is nice, albeit mediocre due to non direct stacking of crits.

    Also, i chose enigma over chains. Simple because COH offers nothing that enigma does, unless you desperately need the resists, which my build doesnt.

    And t-stroke vs titans is a no-brainer IMO, -15 enemy resists is almost useless, so it came down to +3 LB which is even less considering the extra dmg on an eth upped titans, vs 30 rw, 40 stats and replenishing big stack. Like i said, nobrainer.

    Finally, shako vs gryphon, let me explain. By not using storm, i would force myself to BER the gryphon, and even then i would only get 46% dr. Additionally i would only achieve 8 fpa on my bow. Ultimately, considering shako would let me reach 45 CS, and give much more survivability and allow me to facet my monarch, i chose it.

    I have compared storm/gryphon/cats/t-stroke/+2/+3/40 ias jav builds, and any combination of those, to the build above, and i have found this to be the most versatile.

    Charms:
    9x jav skillers (preferable 30+ life)
    Torch+anni
    5x fhr/res sc's
    5x 20life/res sc's

    Prebuff:
    CTA+Spirit
    Treachery

    Switch:
    Faith MB

    Skills:
    20 CS
    20 LF
    20 LB
    20 LS
    18 PS

    1 crit
    1 dodge
    1 evade
    1 avoid
    1 multi
    1 GA
    1 strafe
    1 slow missile
    1 penetrate
    1 pierce
    (done at lvl 99)

    Now, this build offers an amazing versatility. It does not have that high damage - Only one facet - and no gryphon or t-stroke - but i believe that the benefits make it worth it, especially with the importance of survivability and versatility. Minus enemy resistance is mediocre at best, vs stacking opponents, and the amount of extra damage isnt worth the loss of survivability IMO.

    It offers lots of life. Enigma's str/life bonus, shako, titans and verdungo. Second of all, it offers good resist. Not great, but good enough to stack against facets in hell.

    48 dr after fade is prebuffed should be good enough - but unlike stormshield builds, this keeps the dr after switching to a bow.



    To sum it up:

    Pros:

    Good damage
    Great attackspeed (hits the 90 ias bp in javs, 7 fpa with bow)
    Good runspeed (95)
    Great life (4k after BO shouldnt be hard, if you have the charms for it)
    Good resists in hell (125+)
    Great versatility ( switch to bow if nessesary, has alot of passives and +skills to back them up, venom comes with treachery too)
    Great mana for long duels(raven, soj and shako)

    Conc:
    Damage could be better
    dmg reduction isnt perfect, albeit close
    fhr, res and runspeed COULD be better, but not without sacrifices
    Fade must be procced every 5 mins (5% chance)

    I am interested in your thoughts..
     
  17. Bash_

    Bash_ Diabloii.Net Member

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    No one has any thoughts on this?
     
  18. NASE

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    you are ruining two perfect items by using ias/res jewels. A jmod and a facet deserves more then ias/res. Go with 4 facets and don't waste your wealth. Or give it to me, I'll put it to good use.
    If you need res, then get stromshield with um or perfect diamond.

    Your items look expensive and usefull, so go for it. If you play well this certainly is possible.
     
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    Bash_ Diabloii.Net Member

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    I am not ruining anything sorry. If i wanted a storm, where would i get the 90 ias break from? armor? enigma is too good to pass up. Helm? Shako serves a crucial purpose.

    So you pick COH over enigma for the lack of res, 4 facet the jmod monarch instead, and you have yourself more damage, at the expense of survivability and speed.

    Worth it? You be the judge.



     
  20. tinncann25

    tinncann25 Diabloii.Net Member

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    didnt see this thread get bumped till now

    You made this into a completely different build to what i was going for. Good analysis though. This is like the opposite of a bow hybrid. good work. Though duel with it, the damage will suffer without griffons, maybe your bow switch will make up for it.

    also tstroke v titans

    the -15resis is very important

    if u do 100 damage

    target has 75 resis, at default u would do 25 damage
    -15resis
    target is at 50 resis, u do 50 damage, 100% increase.


    target at 95% resist, at default u would do 5 damage
    -15 resis
    target at 80% resist, u do 20 damage, 400% increase.

    of course i am leaving out stack and such, but it becomes even more important in ur build, because they will be less inclined to stack vs another damage source.

    Last, if ur going for bow switch, you might consider using poison all together. This will be a very good combination with ur guided arrows.



     

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