life mana question

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F1R3STR1D3R

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life mana question

Should I get 2478 life 1478 mana or 2304 life 1715 mana with 75% Eshield (prebuffed +9 eshield memory staff) and max telekinesis in pvp with a orb sorc?

And how can I maximize the effectiveness in pvp with life mana eshield and telekinesis?

Like if I get a higher Eshield that means I need more mana, because telekinesis will be down and eshield absorbs more, but if I get more mana my life will go down because I'm putting more into energy. And I will need life because the rest of the % of Eshield takes from life.
 
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Zharous

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It depends entirely on your opponent's attack.

Open Wounds / Poison (100% life)

Elemental Damage (4X or more reduced from mana)

Physical / Magical (mostly reduced from mana)

It also depends on how quickly you get hit. If you take small amounts of damage over a longer period of time, a higher ES % is nicer.
 
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F1R3STR1D3R

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Well right now I got 800 life / 1800 mana and I'm thinking of remaking, because I went all energy.

Now when the sorc I duel with orbs me I die in one orb because my life goes down faster than my mana with a 69% eshield.

When I orb her, her life barely goes down and I don't know about mana.
She won't tell me her eshield level, life, mana or anything. She doesn't use stacked resists in charms, and has about the same gear as me. I'm guessing she has a large mana pool, life pool and high eshield at once, don't know about telekinesis. But how do you know how to balance these?

I'm mainly going to fight elemenalists, because magic and physical are easily. Although some ww sins might be a threat.
 
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TheGreatDivorce

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Unless you have something close to say 90%+ ES damage reduction, pump your stats into Vitality since 25% of the damage to your 75% ES is still a lot of heavy damage taken with just under 1k life.

If you feel like being cheap, use Mana pots...

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F1R3STR1D3R

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Well is there any calculations you can do to make it perfect say assuming 75% resist and level 20 base telekinesis and 20 base warmth you should go:

ES%_____LIFE_____MANA
50______3000______1000
75______2500______1500
85______2000______2000
95______1500______2500

or something, and of course this could change to warmth, telekinesis, resists, damage reduce, and a bunch of other things, but I'm trying to find the BEST possible way to but vit/ene
 
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F1R3STR1D3R

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The sorce I duel I think shes #1 on useast... She takes 3 full orbs before I break her mana shield, and once its broken she takes another 2 full orbs to kill her. I can't do any damage to her life at all when her eshield is up and when you duel her she regens her mana up right away so its impossible to kill her with orb.. I do 1278 damage orb and have -215 resist CM right now. I think she has -235 resist CM and ~1450 orb. One full orb from her kills me.

I know she doesn't use bmanas because I saw her charms (I'm not trading so don't ban me). My question is before the damage to your life is done with eshield on are resists factored? I know resists don't mean anything with eshield up to your mana because eshields resists are 0.0.0.0 like the druids cyclone armor - 0.0.0.0. She can't get a 95% Eshield because shes an orber.. and she doesn't prebuff with memory so how is she doing it ??

So far this is what I'm thinking of a rebuild:

16 Telekinesis
12 Energy Shield
15 Warmth
Max CM
Max Orb
Max Ice Bolt

5/5 35res Viper
Grim Spurs
Armaggedon Fletch
20/5 Nightwings
35/5 Fathom
2x Soj
Magefists
Kite Sanctuary
Arachnids
Cta switch
5/5 Lidless switch
Ber whitstans vs barbs, zons, ww sins
Doom War Axe vs sorbers
20/5 Ormus vs sorbers
Bone Master vs sorbers

Dexterity 146
Strength 59
Energy 150
Vitality Rest

I'm not sure -resists on items works in pvp, someone said it doesn't can someone confirm this?
 
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F1R3STR1D3R

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10000 Damage is dealt (elemental)
10000/6 = PvP penalty = 1666.67
Absorb (%,X), resistances, (Magic) damage reduced by X,
and a higher Eshield level reduce %DTM returns
937.50 dam. is done to mana with 75% Eshield and 20TK
1062.50 dam. is done to mana with 85% Eshield and 20TK
1187.50 dam. is done to mana with 95% Eshield and 20TK
1250 dam. is done to mana with 75% Eshield and 16TK
1416.66 dam. is done to mana with 85% Eshield and 16TK
1583.33 dam. is done to mana with 95% Eshield and 16TK
1562.50 dam. is done to mana with 75% Eshield and 12TK
1770.83 dam. is done to mana with 85% Eshield and 12TK
1979.17 dam. is done to mana with 95% Eshield and 12TK
75% Eshield 20TK (%DTM of number is given back to mana)
0MDR/0%res 416.67 dam. to life
0MDR/75%res 104.16 dam. to life
0MDR/85%res 62.5 dam. to life
0MDR/95%res 20.83 dam to life
20MDR/0%res 396.67 dam. to life
20MDR/75%res 99.17 dam. to life
20MDR/85%res 59.5 dam. to life
20MDR/95%res 19.8 dam. to life
85% Eshield 20TK (%DTM of number is given back to mana)
0MDR/0%res 250 dam. to life
0MDR/75%res 62.5 dam. to life
0MDR/85%res 37.5 dam. to life
0MDR/95%res 12.5 dam to life
20MDR/0%res 230 dam. to life
20MDR/75%res 57.5 dam. to life
20MDR/85%res 34.5 dam. to life
20MDR/95%res 11.5 dam. to life
95% Eshield 20TK (%DTM of number is given back to mana)
0MDR/0%res 83.33 dam. to life
0MDR/75%res 20.83 dam. to life
0MDR/85%res 12.5 dam. to life
0MDR/95%res 4.16 dam to life
20MDR/0%res 63.33 dam. to life
20MDR/75%res 15.8 dam. to life
20MDR/85%res 9.5 dam. to life
20MDR/95%res 3.1 dam. to life

This is what I'm learning for Eshield, and from what it looks like 85% Eshield, 20 telekinesis 2000 life and 2000 mana is the best choice any comments?

To be getting good Damage taken goes to mana you have to have your life go down a lot right .. so I'm not going that route...

The more max resist you get the less damage you take to life, and also reduces the effectiveness of MDR. But you could negete bone spears and hammers correct.. If you have a really big mana pool and fast regen with like 200 MDR.

Is cold mastery in that list of resistances after (magic) damage is reduced by X is applied..? I don't think it is or I would do something to the guy I duels life when he has Eshield on

EDIT: One more question: Ok say I got a level 33 Warmth thats 414% mana regeneration, and magefists with 25% mana regeneration is the 25% just added the %manaregen in this equation?:

Mana Regenerated per second = 25 * [[256 * max_mana / (25 * 120)] * (%Mana Regeneration/100 + 1] / 256
 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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2478 life 1478 mana...

W_o_W :cheesy:
w/a 5 bo cta, I went mass vita, none on dex and energy, just enuf str for SS, I have 2100~2200 life w/ 1200 mana.. You must have some serious +life +mana gear...

- Dennis
 
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F1R3STR1D3R

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Ya I think I messed up on the life/mana there.. I was using an editor to find it,
using 9x 45 life grand charms, and 6x 17mana/20life small charms which is pretty impossible to get.

Which case do you think would be best for full pvp:

Looking for least % in damage to Life/Mana,
Maximum # of hits I can take, and the fastest regen of mana damage

Case 1:20 TK
1 ES (75%)
20 Warmth
OR

Case 2:20 TK
12 ES (85%)
9 Warmth
OR

Case 3:16 TK
12 ES (85%)
13 Warmth


Life/Mana combinations:
150 Energy
220 Vitality
55+45(9)+20(6)+198+230(2) = 1238 Life base
231+59+40+17(6)+135(2)*(55+100)/100 = 850 Mana base
80% battle orders
1238*(80+100)/100 = 2228 Life
850*(80+100)/100 = 1530 Mana

200 Energy
170 Vitality
55+45(9)+20(6)+198+180(2) = 1138 Life base
231+59+40+17(6)+185(2)*(55+100)/100 = 1005 Mana base
1138*(80+100)/100 = 2048 Life
1005*(80+100)/100 = 1809 Mana

12,000 FB in PvP

Case 1: 75 all resists, 20 TK, 75% Eshield, 20 Warmth
(34 with +skills) 426+25= 451% mana regen

12,000/6 = 2000
2000*.75 = 1500
1500*.75 = 1125 Damage to Mana
2000*.25 = 500
500*.25 = 125 Damage to Life

25 * [[256 * max_mana / (25 * 120)] *
(%Mana Regeneration/100 + 1] / 256

Case 1a:
2228 Life
1530 Mana
25*((256*1530/(25*120))*(451/100+1)/256=
70.25 Mana per second, 0 to 1530 in 21 seconds
5.6% of your life
73.5% of your mana
1125 damage regen in 16 seconds

Case 1b:
2048 Life
1809 Mana
25*((256*1809/(25*120))*(451/100+1)/256=
83.06 Mana per second, 0 to 1809 in 21 seconds
6.1% of your life
62.1% of your mana
1125 damage regen in 13.5 seconds

Case 2: 75% all resists, 20TK, 85% Eshield, 9 Warmth
(23 with +skills) 294+25= 319% mana regen

12,000/6 = 2000
2000*.85 = 1700
1700*.75 = 1275 Damage to Mana
2000*.15 = 300
300*.25 = 75 Damage to Life

Case 2a:
2228 Life
1530 Mana
25*((256*1530/(25*120))*(319/100+1)/256=
52.4 Mana per second, 0 to 1530 in 29 seconds
3.36% of your life
83.3% of your mana
1275 damage regen in 24 seconds

Case 2b:
2048 Life
1809 Mana
25*((256*1809/(25*120))*(319/100+1)/256=
63.16 Mana per second, 0 to 1806 in 29 seconds
3.6% of your life
70.4% of your mana
1275 damage regen in 20 seconds
 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

Diabloii.Net Member
Case 2: 20 TK / 12 ES (85%) / 9 Warmth

200 Energy
170 Vitality
55+45(9)+20(6)+198+180(2) = 1138 Life base
231+59+40+17(6)+185(2)*(55+100)/100 = 1005 Mana base
1138*(80+100)/100 = 2048 Life
1005*(80+100)/100 = 1809 Mana

Case 2: 75% all resists, 20TK, 85% Eshield, 9 Warmth
(23 with +skills) 294+25= 319% mana regen

Case 2b:
2048 Life
1809 Mana
25*((256*1809/(25*120))*(319/100+1)/256=
63.16 Mana per second, 0 to 1806 in 29 seconds
3.6% of your life
70.4% of your mana
1275 damage regen in 20 seconds

is what I'd go with, but I guess all of them don't really differ very much in stats... anyways I'd definitely go with these. :thumbsup:

- Dennis
 
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F1R3STR1D3R

Diabloii.Net Member
OK I was thinking this one:

Case 1b:
2048 Life
1809 Mana
25*((256*1809/(25*120))*(451/100+1)/256=
83.06 Mana per second, 0 to 1809 in 21 seconds
6.1% of your life
62.1% of your mana
1125 damage regen in 13.5 seconds

Because it has fastest mana regen, and least % of damage, but I guess
since mana regens faster than life 2b is better. How would I determine which is better though?

Overall I'm just looking for the maximum hits I can take though, I'm not sure how to figure this out because of some factors: mana regen, and how much damage to life is done if say your mana is less than the amount supposed to be done to your mana.

Also many thanks for your help
 
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BgB2

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firestrider you and everyone else who has seen my sorc are really beginning to piss me off. im sick of people trying to copy my build. do you ever think about coming up with your own build? apparently not. i tested at least 4 different builds that i thought of myself before i found one i liked and one that seemed to work the best. i didnt ask 50 million questions to everyone person i could find.

P.S. I dont mean to offend you and i certainly hope im not sounding like to much of an ***. I really would like it if you and others could understand my point of view. Also i have no clue why im posting here, hoping you and others than know me will see this and understand.
 
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