L/MLD Kicker?

[PrkChopXpress]

L/MLD Kicker?

I'm thinking about making a LLD or maybe MLD kicker before all the ridiculous gear starts getting duped again. I did a quick scan of the builds thread, but nothing jumped out as LLD or MLD specific. Before I go and read every pvp build, could someone just point me in the right direction? Thanks. :thumbsup:

 

[Ed from Russia]

You won't find any LLD/MLD guides; they all assume 80-100 skill points. I'm not a kicker expert but I'd probably focus on DTalon and Venom as main skills to invest in.

 

[PrkChopXpress]

Yeah, Talon is a given. But I'm thinking about sticking to LLD (lvl30) so that makes Venom a 1pt-wonder (if at all).

My two biggest questions right now are (1) whether or not to put the point in venom and hope I can buff it to useful dmg, and (2) BoS or Fade. Right now I'm leaning towards BoS, but I'm completely undecided about venom.

 

[Ed from Russia]

Yeah for LLD you probably want to do something else, e.g. Fade. And for leveling a point in CoS and Shadow Warrior.

 

[PrkChopXpress]

ninja edit'd :tongue:

 

[PrkChopXpress]

Here's what I'm thinking:

14 DTalon
6 MB
4 BoS
1 Venom
1 DFlight
1 WoF
1 CoS
6 Prereqs

If I have a hard time getting enough +skills to get to the 4th kick, I'll probably steal a point or two from MB or drop Venom. I should at worse hit the 8/3/3/3 breakpoint (-10 WSM, I'd need +2 skills or +1 and a -15 jewel somewhere) with reaching 7/3/3/3 being fairly reasonable.

What do you think? Should I just forget about Venom and put those extra 2 pts into BoS if for nothing else the added fr/w & duration?

 

[crawlingdeadman]

just about every post i've made in the sin forum has dealt with low level dueling sins here's the search hope it works in link form. if not here's the best one of them. lots of good info, not just from me.

breaks down to:
get venom (prebuff it as high as it'll go, it's 110% worth it)
use fade, not bos
get 18 kicks or 24
war boots ftw
70ias with blade talons is max kick speed
avoid other sources of elemental damage like the plauge.

you also dont put points into things "for leveling" a low character it'll never be worth it.

 

[PrkChopXpress]

Thanks, deadman. The search didn't work, but the other link was helpful.

I think I'm definitely planning on getting Venom, I just hope it doesn't take forever to shop those sexy +2 Shadow Disp./+3 Venom Hand Scythes. But I'm sure it will.

But if I switch to war boots and 70ias blade talons where would I get crushing blow from? Shouldn't that be a major source of damage? I guess I could use Rattlecage, but is 25% really enough?

Here's the gear I was thinking about using:
"Strength" Hand Scythe (atleast +2 DTalon)
"Rhyme" Grim Shield
Peasant Crown (Shael'd)
Vipermagi (pRuby'd?)
Bloodfist
SoE
"Up'd" Goblin Toes
Angelic Ring/Ammy
+Mana Rare/Magic Ring with some combination of resists/stats

That'll give me 8/3/3/3 kicks with 50% CB, 5 frame FHR, and 3 frame FBR. And if I can get BoS buffed up to slvl10 I'll hit 7/3/3/3.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

crushing blow is only usefull for vs characters that have 1k+ life. the only source of cb i have on my sin is gtoes wich i'll switch in for the war boots i'm using. someone crunched numbers for me and it's something like 6 more life taken off for upped gtoes vs war boots when the crushing goes off and only if they're at 1.5k or higher. i use em vs barbs and wolfs everything else imo you're better off with better gear vs crushing.

at lvl 18 crushing is more important since you cant use war boots, but that's another topic altogether.

my 30 sin uses:
ruby twitch
1sin/70+life circlet with a ruby and a shael socketed in it
rhyme grim shield
1sin/ias blade talons (i think mine only have 40 ias total but i have my twitch and gloves to make it up)
2ma/10ias gloves
string of ears
rare warboots with 10fhr and frw (godly ones of these are where you can make up some res and other misc things you'll need try to get fhr though)
ar/mana ring
angelic ring
angelic ammy

with this set up i get lvl 24 talon, enough ias to use fade and the good fhr bp. like i said i put on upped toes vs high life opponents and another claw vs non cold using casters for the chance to claw block.