[L] Confusion about upped mage fists

WGalczak

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[L] Confusion about upped mage fists

Ok, I had a pair of 28ed mage fists, dual upped them to crusader gauntlets, they were ** defense. I found a pair of 30ed mage fists, and upped them to 90defense.
I assumed this was perfect.
I saw someone in a game with 30ed's with 91defense, and a 29ed pair with 97defense. Can someone please explain the intricacies of upping items and what perfect defense crusaders are?
thanks :)
 

djmilhaus

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:)

When you up armor, it resets the BASE defense for the item. Basically, to get perfect defense crusader gaunts on a perfect magefist, you need to get perfect base defense on both upgrades. Pretty tough to do.
 

Oscuro

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djmilhaus said:
When you up armor, it resets the BASE defense for the item. Basically, to get perfect defense crusader gaunts on a perfect magefist, you need to get perfect base defense on both upgrades. Pretty tough to do.
Actually, you'd just need to roll perfect base defense on the second upgrade. The defense on the gloves in battle gauntlet form shouldn't matter.
 

Frosty_The_Snowman

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WGalczak said:
Ok, I had a pair of 28ed mage fists, dual upped them to crusader gauntlets, they were ** defense. I found a pair of 30ed mage fists, and upped them to 90defense.
I assumed this was perfect.
I saw someone in a game with 30ed's with 91defense, and a 29ed pair with 97defense. Can someone please explain the intricacies of upping items and what perfect defense crusaders are?
thanks :)
To answer you clearly with numbers :

White Light Gauntlets Defense : 9-11
Since Magefist is a unique item with the %Def mod, the basis defense will be MaxDef+1, that is 12. You have to apply the %Def first, then the +Def
So :
Normal Magefist Defense : (12*1.2)+10 = 24 to (12*1.3)+10 = 25

White Battle Gauntlets Defense : 39-47
When you upgrade Magefist, the base defense isn't MaxDef+1 anymore. The base defense now varies from 39 to 47. And on top of that, it varies regarding to the %Def you have.
So :
Exceptional Magefist Defense : (39*1.2)+10 = 56 to (47*1.3)+10 = 71

White Crusader Gauntlets Defense : 59-69
Same here. That's why the basis defense previously rolled doesn't matter. The new basis defense will now vary from 59 to 69, regardless of what you rolled in the previous upgrade.
So :
Elite Magefist Defense : (59*1.2)+10 = 80 to (69*1.3)+10 = 99

So, ultimate Magefist would be Crusader Gloves with 99 Def :)

- Frosty_The_Snowman
 

RTB

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The base defense of Crusader Gauntlets is actually 59 - 68, which puts the maximum defense of Magefist Crusader Gauntlets at (68*1.3)+10 = 98.

Nitpicking again. :rolleyes:
 

Frosty_The_Snowman

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RTB said:
The base defense of Crusader Gauntlets is actually 59 - 68, which puts the maximum defense of Magefist Crusader Gauntlets at (68*1.3)+10 = 98.

Nitpicking again. :rolleyes:
You mean the numbers displayed on the Arreat Summit are false again :lol: ! Thanks for pointing this out RTB ;)
 

WGalczak

Diabloii.Net Member
Frosty_The_Snowman said:
To answer you clearly with numbers :

White Light Gauntlets Defense : 9-11
Since Magefist is a unique item with the %Def mod, the basis defense will be MaxDef+1, that is 12. You have to apply the %Def first, then the +Def
So :
Normal Magefist Defense : (12*1.2)+10 = 24 to (12*1.3)+10 = 25

White Battle Gauntlets Defense : 39-47
When you upgrade Magefist, the base defense isn't MaxDef+1 anymore. The base defense now varies from 39 to 47. And on top of that, it varies regarding to the %Def you have.
So :
Exceptional Magefist Defense : (39*1.2)+10 = 56 to (47*1.3)+10 = 71

White Crusader Gauntlets Defense : 59-69
Same here. That's why the basis defense previously rolled doesn't matter. The new basis defense will now vary from 59 to 69, regardless of what you rolled in the previous upgrade.
So :
Elite Magefist Defense : (59*1.2)+10 = 80 to (69*1.3)+10 = 99

So, ultimate Magefist would be Crusader Gloves with 99 Def :)

- Frosty_The_Snowman
Sooooo, in order for me to roll a perfect mage fist, I'd need to get about 10-18 30ed mage fists? and 10-18 sets of upgrade runes/jewels? lol
 

Frosty_The_Snowman

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WGalczak said:
Sooooo, in order for me to roll a perfect mage fist, I'd need to get about 10-18 30ed mage fists? and 10-18 sets of upgrade runes/jewels? lol
Can be much less or much more, depending if you're a lucky man :lol: !
 
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