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Kirsty and other old timers: Summons Debate

Discussion in 'Druid' started by Salo, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. Salo

    Salo IncGamers Member

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    Kirsty and other old timers: Summons Debate

    Hey,
    I thought the summons pre-buffing issue was a moot point as of last month.

    This was the forum consensus:
    Spirits = pre-buff holds its level
    Dogs and Bears = does NOT hold their levels
    Vines = Inconclusive, less mentioned, probably hold their levels

    Now, all of a sudden, FenrisWolf and 2 other big D2'rs say bears and dogs RETAIN level on a pre-buff, just not quantity.


    *coffee tawk voice* Discuss.
     
  2. mepersoner

    mepersoner IncGamers Member

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    I guess I should test that too, I'll do that when I tests rabies/fireclaws being blockable, hah.

    -Mepersoner, Furry Admin
     
  3. TheKbob

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    Which in rought translation means, oh about 2 months...

    I know that you can pre-buff shifting. That Club (fleshrender I think) with lidless wall on switch for whenever you shift.

    Also, I know oak sage can be pre-buffed as well, for sure.

    ~Kbob
     
  4. Salo

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    yes, i have done this/do this. making a pvp is a bit dull im noticing. he's up to 73rd level. just clacked on a SS. nothing that grand as far as excitement goes. flaming rabies, gona duel/pk with him i hope.
     
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    Small nitpick: Summons don't retain quantity. :p I was making the point that they only maintain quality. Anyhow...

    Ravens Test
    (Test 1)
    a) Summon one slvl 14 Raven (listed: 25 hits)
    b) Go into NM Blood Moor
    c) Lure zombie, allow Raven to attack.
    d) Observed # of attacks: 25

    (Test 2)
    a) Summon one slvl 14 Raven (listed: 25 hits)
    b) Put Annihilus, three Summoning Charms, +3 Summoning Amulet, and Bul-Kathos Wedding Band in Horadric Cube. Current Raven level: 6, listed # of hits: 17
    c) Pick on same zombie.
    d) Observed # of attacks: 25

    (Test 3)
    a) Summon one slvl 6 Raven (listed: 17 hits)
    b) Let Raven attack zombie.
    c) Observed number of hits: 17

    (Test 4)
    a) Summon one slvl 6 Raven (listed: 17 hits)
    b) Put back on all +skills gear mentioned earlier. Current Raven level: 14, listed # of hits: 25
    c) Once more, attack zombie.
    d) Observed number of hits: 17
    e) Shoot zombie with Bow, killing in one hit. He was getting on your nerves, anyway.

    (Conclusion)
    Ravens can be prebuffed (and also anti-prebuffed), at least in terms of number of hits.
     
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    Carrion Vine Test
    (Setup)
    a) Take off +8 skills.
    b) Let zombie pack beat on you for a while. Life goes to 878 out of 1627.


    (Test 1)
    a) Summon slvl 6 Carrion Vine (7% Life Heal).
    b) Kill one zombie (Life goes to 890, due to leech).
    c) Carrion Vine consumes corpse. Life goes to 1003.
    d) 1003 - 890 = 113, 7% of 1627.

    (Test 2)
    a) Resummon slvl 6 Carrion Vine (7% Life Heal).
    b) Put back on +8 skills. Total life increases to 1710 (on account of +Life items)
    c) Kill one more zombie (Life goes to 1078, through +Life and leech).
    d) Gogo Carrion Vine. Life goes to 1197.
    e) 1197 - 1078 = 119, 7% of 1710.

    (Test 3)
    a) Summon slvl 14 Carrion Vine (9% Life Heal).
    b) Kill another zombie (Life goes to 1199, due to leech).
    c) Carrion Vine does his thing. Life goes to 1352.
    d) 1352 - 1199 = 153 = 9% of 1710.

    (Test 4)
    a) Resummon slvl 14 Carrion Vine (9% Life Heal).
    b) Take off +8 skills. Total life decreases to 1244 out of 1627.
    c) Kill final zombie (finally took off those leech items).
    d) Carrion Vine, I choose you! Life goes to 1390.
    e) 1390 - 1244 = 146 = 9% of 1627.

    (Conclusion)
    Carrion Vine (and probably the other Vines) can be prebuffed.

    I'll work on figuring out the Ravens damage in a sec, but at least those side topics are out of the way. It is true that the main Summons (Grizzly, Dire Wolves, and Spirit Wolves) are the more interesting case, since we know that there is at least some amount of checking to see how many of them are out.

    EDIT: After looking at the thread you linked to: I removed my gear outside of town for Test 4. I'll play around with it some more.
     
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    Ran Test 2 of the Ravens Test a few more times, with different variations (weapon swapping, items removed in town or outside of town, et cetera). Always got 25 attacks.

    I also thought to drop my levels down by two more, so that I Summoned a slvl 12 Raven (23 attacks) and unbuffed to slvl 4, to see if hitting the "check if I have too many Summons summoned" point would kick in and drop stats. Still got the prebuffed number of attacks, though (23).

    EDIT:
    Summoning slvl 9 Raven, then dropping +8 skills (outside of town): 20 hits
    My connection just went down, though, so I'm out for a bit.
     
  9. Kirsty

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    I'm going to retest raven again tomorrow. I think I was just too tired when I did my tests. :yawn:
     
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    IIRC Grizzlies received the same PvP penalty as players in 1.10 (17%)? A level 20 Grizzly should be doing 160-176 to its opponent who has zero DR aye? I attempted a test and was surprised to see it dealt 282 damage. Was I misinformed on his PvP penalty?
     
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    I'm not a vet and I really don't care...can't help ya.
     
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    Then why post?
     
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    Because I know you're all wondering 'where is fen teh vet!!!1'
     
  14. Salo

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    isnt that, speeeeshul, hm?


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    well, If bears can be, this would change the game for my new up and comming redone Hunter/summons quite a bit. great going people :)

    and if anyone wants to talk to me, im *pontifs_revenge on USWest
     
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    Poison Creeper can

    and I'm fairly confidant that Spirit Wolves can

    those are the only summons I've extensively worked with though.
     
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    You apparently missed my first post. o_O

    -Mepersoner, Furry Admin
     
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    your second post was the only one that had any pertinance as to what I said.

    and I guess I could be wrong about spirit wolves.
     
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    Nice testing FenrisWulf. Real question will be to see Dire Wolves and Grizzly, though. Also the hardest to find out...
     
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    I meant first post in the other thread. :(

    -Mepersoner, Furry Admin
     
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    @mep:
    No worries, it was definitely good testing, and I think that you're likely right. I just don't understand why it would be different for Druid Animal Summons from every other Summon I can think of, which is why I'd like to play around with it a bit later. :scratch:
     

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